Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 4 [11/17]

[Kiiruma]

I want Leafia to be town. But I’m in my paranoid bitch mode there atm and I just can’t townread the slot. She knows I often get like this despite wanting us to just be town.

[soweli]

grrrrrr
just because i wasn’t literally on hippo wagon d1. ok. whatever.

[Kiiruma]

Also a TL;DR for others:

Kiiruma, Eve
36501, Tutuu, Diafiasco
Angry Frog
Jason, Frost, Soweli
Melatonin(1)
Willow, Chomps
Leafia (2)

1 - I think Melatonin’s behaviour has been very much a tale of 2 halves and the hydra head doesn’t have a consistent narrative, just two separate ones which makes me unsure how to handle things. I could see this slot being wolf easily with any below the list but struggle to see it with those above it.

2 - I want Leafia to be town, so many others read Leafia as town but I’m super tunnelled and the reason I haven’t provided a list is I don’t want to have the reputation of just being contrarian as town as I was somewhat like that last game too which I don’t think actually suits me. I think Leafia’s capable of all this as good too, just… graaaaaaah

[melatonin]

longpost spotted sigh UNVOTE I’ll come back after I read some of ice cream maf

meow

[melatonin]

meow is gonna take over bc i am emotionally not feeling well due to outside factors which has caused me not to work and i have too many things due too soon

~g

[36501]

your wolfreads are literally just “who do you think would rolecop you” and we don’t even have strong evidence you were rolecopped

[Kiiruma]

The decision by Snow to target me in itself implies it because it had enough confidence to reach out to someone not on Snow’s team who couldn’t determine the truth.

[Frostwolf103]

Read back then

[Frostwolf103]

The fact Gummy did nothing to inform about my progress is diabolic?

[melatonin]

@jason.mrrown

i think i like the pseudo-narrative of tutuu/leafia bussing hippo and the last wolf being snow or someone who wasn’t there at eod

good post by the way, specifically pointing it out as snow, seems like it’d feel too risky if paired

meow

[melatonin]

have a filtered set of frostposts, with a little commentary but not much:

Summary

@Frostwolf103

@Frostwolf103

Willow (1): Leafia
melatonin (1): jason.mrrown
Eve (1): 36501
tutuu (1): catbae
jason.mrrown (1): melatonin
diafiasco (1): tutuu

I clear them, because with 6 wagons about 6 hours ago, I have a gut feeling there might be a wolf

this read changes a little from w/w to t/w in the wagons over the course of the game, but it’s held pretty consistent. I think it’s a reasonable assumption, but I’m wary of the confidence frost has in it. it doesn’t help that everyone in here is someone who has flipped town or someone I towncore or is willow who man I liked her posting earlier.

@Frostwolf103

@Hippopablompoyeetus

yeah i suspect eve cuz of font usage…no i havent read thread yet i am catching up

…what are you doing Hippo, I am not sure how long you have seen the Hydra play, but this is not the Hippo I know.

@Frostwolf103

VOTE: Hippo

I don’t see how you are going to backpedal this.

the hippo push. ironically, ice cream mafia also had a d1 hippo vote as he got bussed by both frost and leafia. slightly paranoid although frost pushed hippo harder in that, I think.

@Frostwolf103

I am giving Willow a first glance of wolflean on the RVS period, the performative tone about the vote while not exactly engaging with Jason.

start of a consistent wolfread on willow

@Frostwolf103

It’s not distancing with Hippo, not W/W in that case. But this is about between 36501 and Eve. The play from 36501 is not impressive as townread, the voting pattern is all over the place to find use in this game. 36501 also made it clear that Eve isn’t particular a wolfread to that, only in condition as counterwagon in contrast to Hippo.

start of a consistent wolfread on 36501

@Frostwolf103

I rather find the engagement between Willow and Jason, a bit performative.

@Frostwolf103

What I recently read on what I am suspecting at early vote wagons, Willow and 36501 are in my PoE. The reason I have you, in my words, don’t remember you and feels like different person.

@Frostwolf103

@diafiasco

i thought hippo’s posting was bad and substanceless

Thats what I voted him for.

@Frostwolf103

Since Hippo flipped Wolf, I am inclined that 36501 is likely Hippo’s partner.

@Frostwolf103

I can’t put a finger, but its harder for me to convince you may be not deep wolf. What you’re pushing Tutuu you may have a valid point. I do think the anti-spew from Hippo hasn’t worn off when he voted Tutuu with you and Catbae, do you still believe Tutuu is wolf?

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@Frostwolf103

@Serie

Hippopablompoyeetus (9): 36501, tutuu, diafiasco, Leafia, snow, ElizaThePsycho, jason.mrrown, Eve, melatonin

Catbae and Soweli, applying with simple solution, is too small of gap to have at least one wolf in here. 3 out of 6, if not at least 1 wolf 100%

I don’t understand this read actually.

@Frostwolf103

This would be a good focus for the day, unironically I have both 36501 and Willow as scumlean.

@Frostwolf103

VOTE: Willow

I figure out more in the morning, good night.

@Frostwolf103

Looking this way, Soweli ending up voting Carbonated I would have considered him suspicious. The odds are 1-2 wolves are in Hippo wagon and while I didn’t end up voting Hippo, I do suspect 36501’s voting patterns is not natural to me. Also, I believe we talked about this before but I certainly said about the way I voted Hippo was simple: I didn’t like the way he posted. That’s not a sheep vote.

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@Frostwolf103

@snow

hippo is a mason without a partner, and nobody is backing him on his mason claim. VOTE: Hippo

@tutuu

yes i realize the hypocrisy because ppl are accusing me of being overly confident and TMI but it doesnt count coz im town lol. and idk if snow is town

Occam’s Razor

light snow defense

@Frostwolf103

Either bold to leave breadcrump for towncred if either of them got executed or misleading us into misexe. Snow, 36501, Melatonin and Tutuu. I pick up Snow because of wordplay.

but bold of frost to point this out if he’s partners with snow

@Frostwolf103

You know you realize that Eve not killed, makes you 100% suspect right? Please give me good explanation Eve/36501 is T/T?

@Frostwolf103

Thats not the answer you should said that. Please explain why I would believe you are not wolf, now Eve is soft cleared? (Assuming Carbonated did shoot Eve)

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@Frostwolf103

Snow as counterwagon, I see that happening now I think about it. Maybe there’s more to it than bussing Hippo

considers snow further?

@Frostwolf103

Kiiruma is repeating the same words as putting Willow null townish from Tutuu, performative but doesnt look paired to me otherwise.

@Frostwolf103

The switch is unusual since his opener has contrast mood and is rather amused by that.

Ah yeah, the respond to Tutuu’s action? I think Kiiruma should make a potshot who this evil player is.

@Kiiruma

It’s possible that an evil player made it so your action failed / made it so any visitors to me would fail. I’m not sure tbh but like, it would’ve been very nice to have a neighbourhood.

@Frostwolf103

I feel this is the most important piece of the puzzle and answer this question, Is Kiiruma wolf or town?

@Frostwolf103

You have said you got nothing to do with Tutuu’s failed action, responding to Tutuu’s question I haven’t forgot that.

You are mech theorizer and actions requires motives, yes it’s probably hard to do with 3K posts now. The reason I pinged earlier today because I want to know who they see as town and mafia. Unsurprisingly, not all pings replied back.

so true…don’t know if to read this as unpairing or pairing since frost kinda ignores kiiruma for the rest of the game

@Frostwolf103

Still, if that’s the case then there’s no more counterwagon. Eliza being policy exe seems to be only way forward unless there’s something else.

not the best post but not necessarily wolfy to me

@Frostwolf103

Jailkeeper normally doesn’t stop actions from other players who visit the target (Kiiruma), it stops the target from acting and protect the target from dying.

@Frostwolf103

It wouldn’t have failed unless Jailkeeper has rolestop mechanic.

frost shows clear knowledge of jailor vs jailkeeper. maybe the most unpairing thing of him with snow?

@Frostwolf103

I think Tutuu is ready to throw into den of lions and emerge victorious, dont you think?

aged so so good, love it

@Frostwolf103

And yes I suspect there will be one wolf in the 7 players (that are alive out of 8) will contain a wolf. That is based on Day 1 interactions

To sum up my results, Willow 1 - 0 Leafia and 36501 1 - 0 Eve

The reason I didnt do Diafiasco and Tutuu before EoD 2 and during Night 2, because I am preoccupied in pushing the two I mentioned.

frost who do you think it could be & who do you think it is definitely not? ^

@Frostwolf103

I abandoned D1 tunnel on 36501/Willow (I am waiting for astounding ‘told you so’ post-game) and moved on to spiritually suspect Snow

this post is great I think ^

@Frostwolf103

Yes, so…spewing suspicion here and there like Hippo did?

think I liked this but dont remember why now

@Frostwolf103

You’re not sure whether Jason outright saying Willow is threadspewed town and urges us to change wagons, is opportuntistic wolf move or one of townclearing points? Without him, I argue Snow wouldn’t be pressured (and perhaps you’re not taking a new approach)

also good since I townread jason

@Frostwolf103

The fact Gummy did nothing to inform about my progress is diabolic?

ah, I think I might have seen the posts and forgot about them, not entirely sure anymore. questions:

• do you still think it’s willow or 36501 as the wolf on the wagons?
• how confident are you that those wagons weren’t pure with at least one wolf in them?
• can you tell me why 36501 could be mafia besides the wagon read? I’m just struggling to see it because his reads consistently feel “correct”/“reasonable” to me. same for willow (what do you think of her posting today?)
• where are you on kiiruma now? leafia? and generally what do you make of the game, I guess?

frost still kinda reads towny to me in that ice cream maf frost felt somewhat more compelled to read everyone in the game and engage harder with other players + the bus felt stronger? this frost feels very much fixating on one thing – worried it’s to avoid posting content, but his positioning has generally been fineish + feels a little unpaired w/ snow.

but I think I’m realizing I’m not good at this skimming past games for meta bc I can’t really distill down playing style differences.

I want to stop towncasing everyone in my poe sigh

meow

[melatonin]

genuinely I want to just sheep the vote but then it’ll probably end up on me & I’m also afraid of being wrong.

tutuu I hope you’ve been having fun isoing us…and not procrastinating…jason you too…

meow

[Kiiruma]

VOTE: Chomps

I’ve made my thoughts clear, like it or not I’ve commented on some slots for the purpose of rolecop stuff but overall even discounting it all, Chomps’ entrance and behaviour feels like a W trying to recover from everything that has happened.

[soweli]

@melatonin (meowlatonin) have we talked much about your alignment

[melatonin]

even if it’s kiiruma (well now I feel bad posting that after he didn’t vote me), I don’t know who his partner would be. engaged willow posting felt nice :(. I think frog is towny. frost has been okay ? chomps is like fine too? I kinda trust dia’s reads overall. I think it would be wild if 36501/tutuu/soweli were bussing their entire mafia team like what’s been happening. jason I just. he’s had so many towny moments. dia doesn’t make sense to me to be mafia. I think this leafia is close to last game’s town leafia. and then there’s like no one left I think

I. really don’t think carbon would give an incorrect breadcrumb like that & I will be very if she did somehow. I don’t think it can be eve/considering that possibility is just pain. I think saying “eve needs to be resolved” from cabon has to be a clear signal like what else could it be.

meow

[melatonin]

meowlatonin is too good oh man we should have done that

have we? probably not, I don’t really feel like we’ve talked much this game. go ahead

meow

[melatonin]

you can’t just dip after saying this soweliiii

meow

[melatonin]

well I guess there was some time in between you sending that and me responding

meow

[soweli]

@melatonin

I don’t really feel like we’ve talked much this game

hm. not going to comment on this because it probably sets us off on the wrong foot

Do you think you should be townread either in general or by me, if so why?
What do you make of the wagon on you composition-wise?
What do you make of the wagon on you ‘i am a slot in the game’-wise?
Who do you think the last two wolves are?

yes melatonin i was walking back into my dorm

[soweli]

ftr my read on you roughly amounts to vibes/not being distinctly towny given the everything + bad EoDs which i know is bad on your end but I’m not ISOing you guys soz

@Eve my vizier what do you think of melatonin nowadays