Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 4 [11/17]

[Frostwolf103]

Is there reason why you are holding on N2 result?

[soweli]

you didn’t tell me how to do it tbh

@melatonin

tbh like meow and i contradict a lot in temrs of playstyle but more importantly in terms of reads

i think that might be the best way to see that our hydra is town

hm.

also did individual reads becuase why not (less fancy colors, longer) if annything is broken it's your fault

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@melatonin

agree with gummy’s discord message that that was unusually defensive meow

Jason

@melatonin

is it bad im townreading you

catbae

@melatonin

randed wolf twice in a row huh crazy

dia
(joking)

@melatonin

feel very uncomfortable with this post. we’ll see

kiiruma
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@melatonin

jason was weird at the start. don’t think the fakeclaim question is really clearing. was at null, but I do currently like his points on dia at the moment. I don’t really think wolf jason starts out pushing someone so early…so leaning town. also this recent 36501 towncase feels too much effort for d1 wolf jason, it reminds me of when he towncased me in grande idea

jason
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@melatonin

like the willow mechposting

willow
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@melatonin

• didn’t like a bunch of 36501’s initial reads feeling like they were reading people very differently than me/gummy (scumread on catbae, jason; townread willow, dia?). later posting (summarizing dia specifically) I liked though
• I liked the singular frost post asking me about jason for no reason

36501
Frostwolf

@melatonin

i think jason’s posting feels FAKE

jason?
(more of a gummy read)
–Readslist 1–

@melatonin

man i thought this too

willow

@melatonin

i do really think catbae is the towniest player here

catbae
gummy thinks jason wolf, meow thinks jason town, many times

@melatonin

think tutuu is town, feels different from beatings. could be similar to champs but I didn’t follow that closely, so I don’t have that paranoia that seriously. lots of solving vibes and activity
I can buy 36501 town off tutuu and general posting. not very strong I guess

tutuu
36501
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@melatonin

felt weird about why eve townread us, was skimming maybe I missed something

agree interesting note that frog has said he’s only focusing on solving hydra (and seemingly missing eve’s existence)

Eve, Frog
(Eve null re-affirmed soon after)

@melatonin

big shrug on carbon, I was noticing she felt weirdly absent too, I haven’t been paying too much attention to her life though – she might have had a test today?

don’t think ai

carbon
–READSLIST 2–
expansion on jason that i missed
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@melatonin

main takeaways I think were that I can kinda see the hippo push, and I am not the biggest fan of frog. still don’t really see the townread on dia, and I really thought carbon would have more than 14 posts

Hippo, frog, dia
carbon
–READSLIST 3–

@melatonin

my main confusion about him is that he was posting very differently in beatings 4 -meow

frog (vote on dia has been re-iterated)

@melatonin

I am vaguely coming around to this being a possibility given no one else seems to be particularly concerned about it.

frog

@melatonin

towny post

~g

jason but from gummy this time

@melatonin

can we vote tutuu until he talks again

tutuu

@melatonin

sorry tutuu I am conflicted, and you will need to post to make me reconvinced you’re town

VOTE: tutuu

[color=crimson[/color]
could still be purple dealer’s choice but i’m the dealer.

@melatonin

this is kinda towny to me haha

angryfrog

@melatonin

leaning town entirely off vibes and other people’s vibes…

eve

@melatonin

not entirely comfortable with tutuu but reread him, and man I really like his first set of posts. the excitement and wanting to tryhard and win a town game feels…good? I do feel like it kinda dissipated which makes me concerned but not enough to really make me want to push him d1 or anything

UNVOTE

I think the locktown of 36501 from tutuu probably means they’re just town even if tutuu is wolf, it reminds me of what tutuu did to soweli in beatings 3

tutuu, soweli

@melatonin

I kinda want to sheep soweli’s townread on eve, she seems pretty confident in it

eve

@melatonin

I gave up on the dia push after jason said he thought dia could be town. part of me also thinks dia is giving off much less “they’re trying to manipulate me” flags than in the last two games I played w them when they were wolf. mostly I would be sad if dia was town, and I helped kill them d1 bc I’m always excited to see their towngame

dia
(this is brouhgt up again later)

@melatonin

the catbae tutuu conflicting beliefs on how to read hippo is killing my sheepy brain

meow’s stance on [color=black]hippo/color] (re-using the color for null+)
–READSLIST 4–

@melatonin

Im fine w carbonated

Their iso is uninspirijg

carbonated
–DAY 2-- (melatonin at 240 posts)

@melatonin

frost’s posts have been towny imo

they’re posting the same vote analysis that’s only understandable to themselves

frost

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SoD2 thoughts (including the two that come from ‘oh and also’ additions
Frost, frog, dia
eve, tutuu, willow
carbon
beancat

@melatonin

is it BAD i think 22 had tmi

tutuu
tinfoil color

@melatonin

@Hippopablompoyeetus

Probably about to get snowed by numbers gummy and tutuu or something

is it bad that i think this list contains at least one mafia

36501, tutuu

@melatonin

snow’s iso reads to me like town

snow

@melatonin

idk i think meow thinks 22 is mafia and im like ambivalent bc 22 was confident in meow being mafia in grande idea

tutuu

@melatonin

unrelatedly, I think I was in the middle of saying I think frog is. probably fine. if everyone else says he’s fine, and I’m like warming up to his posting rip

frog

@melatonin

I was vaguely townreading willow off the aggression on you earlygame bc she was kinda more tentative/half-hearted w/ her pushes when we wolved together. like I retract what I said about her being the same as in grande idea. I’m just paranoid about how confident she was hippo was lying (also why I feel/felt? eehhhhhh on tutuu)

willow

@melatonin

good look for eve

eve

@melatonin

unpairing ??? I’m not good at this I initially read it as pairing but as I townread frog more, I am transitioning into unpairing rip me

frog

@melatonin

I think this is genuine and counterintuitively unpairing for hippo and dia maybe. (upon rereading, I’m less confident in this, but my initial vibe was “hippo hasn’t interacted w/ dia much”)

dia
–TOWNCORE 1–

@melatonin

their posts have more friction? to them that feels very good/less smooth and slippery or something. more abrasive? can’t characterize properly

dia
many such cases

@melatonin

I think the way tutuu has been reading my slot feels good. or well-designed to get around the meow pocketing red flag alarm.

tutuu

@melatonin

didn’t have strong feelings on snow

snow
from meow
–READSLIST 5–

@melatonin

I dislike eve

eve
from gummy

@melatonin

Look into carbon bc if carbon mafia pr a lot of people including me look very bad

carbon

@melatonin

personally I am still ~fineish on eve. but tutuu’s insistence is compelling. and voting stresses me out so

eve from meow

@melatonin

All that to say i would never dare say 36501 is clear

36501
eh not great fit but

@melatonin

will buy it (until I read Willow’s defense)

willow
can they start having normal reads

@melatonin

don’t feel to strongly between eve and willow, but I’ve townread eve more than willow, so jason mrrown will have to tell me what to do…

VOTE: Willow

eve
willow

@melatonin

recent kiiruma post about uh not liking the townreads due to lack of tmis on him felt decent even if I don’t remember anyone making that specific read

kiiruma

@melatonin

frost is so townnn

frost

@melatonin

angryfrog if ur mafia i’ll be sad bc i keep thinking ur town

angryfrog
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tutuu

@melatonin

I mentioned I disliked kiiruma’s posting earlier in the game; still holds true although I don’t really want to explain it at the moment, maybe I’m silly. not opposed to the kiiruma wagon

kiiruma

@melatonin

im fine w a 22 vote i dislike their posting

tutuu
gummy, notable large break from meow who has been saying ‘let’s not d2 tutuu’

@melatonin

snow is cool

gummy lthought their posting was fine; I’m at null.

snow

@melatonin

don’t think I will vote eve or tutuu today.

I’m still okay with a willow vote & if she remains leading wagon, she should probably claim soon to avoid a hippo eod again

willow

@melatonin

also im ngl this looks kinda bad for snow but w/e

i want you all to know i was thinking of good filler words to say here and had ‘meow’ before realizing.

@melatonin

whatever i think the posts you made defending yourself is towny enough

something about the you don’t understand my argument screams town…

~g

don’t vote snow probably

@melatonin

why are we wagoning willow btw

willow

@melatonin

i think snow is so town

im willing to overthrow 22 over snow

@melatonin

can you explain why you think willow is mafia because i really think she’s town

@melatonin

see this is exactly ther eason i think snow is town

also bc snow is posting very towny

what if we kill soweli

made without comment

@melatonin

willow voting me for trying to find wolves in a slightly unconventional way is making me hmm

willow

@melatonin

what if we cfd angryfrog because angryfrog has been giving me bad vibes for the last 20 minutes

angryfrog
–READSLIST 6–
–EoD2-- gummy at like 480 posts i am going to speed things up because i want to get decent sleep but also gummy’s posts will maybe have less reads

@melatonin

I think I’m town leaning tutuu and gummy is still a bit sus of him

@melatonin

I don’t know what to make of frog abstaining? from the wagons despite seeming to sheep my slot’s vote d1

@melatonin

I think I literally townread everyone on the snow tutuu wagons at eod which is unfortunate (well obviously excluding snow)

this one’s important for you reads fans

@melatonin

throwing in a jason defenses

jason

@melatonin

anyways i think we’re getting dunked on rn and it’s not a pure wagon

(disagreement with meow)

@melatonin

and I’m hesitant to push anyone, but I guess my poe is still like kiiruma and chomps, maybe frog?? I really do want to spend a few hours backreading before saying stuff more confidently (spoilers: I’ll never be confident). willow is like, towny in a vacuum I guess, I think she could play like this as wolf, but probably you guys aren’t all wrong on her. but like a poe of kiiruma and chomps sucks I think because it basically implies mafia has had 0 involvement in thread this entire game

oh frost exists. I’m starting to wonder if I should re-eval him still being on the same d1 voting read without anything else

kiiruma, chomps, frog , frost, willow

@melatonin

meow has been sus on kii

kiiruma

@melatonin

man. I think frog is town anyway

frog
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@melatonin

also tutuu felt unpaired from snow in two posts I saw, let me grab them

tutuu
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@melatonin

but genuinely, this, jason. I thought you were pretty locktown. I still feel that’s likely. your reason for why we’re at the bottom of your readslist is like. incredibly uncharacteristic of what I expect though & it’s pinging me like crazy for katseye “bad eod” vote on me. give me a peek into your mind.

meow

jason remember this is hte tinfoil color or the towny but weird color

@melatonin

I’ve vaguely been returning back to mafia willow bc

willow

@melatonin

I don’t think leafia is mafia bc

leafia

@melatonin

frost is confusing me because

frostwolf

@melatonin

kiiruma

sorta believe 36501 if the vanilla slip was real then probably town

kiiruma

@melatonin

anyway I think I just cleared the game, so something is wrong

@melatonin

oh beancat shrug

chomps
doomed color
–READSLIST D3 EDITION–

@melatonin

eh willow’s iso feels a bit better this game, and she said she was busy. a check in would still be nice though

@melatonin

frog did you get neighborized by tutuu

(your posting is great)

you can read

@melatonin

let it be known I disagree w most of gummy’s tinfoils here

@melatonin

fwiw my top town read is surprisingly soweli atp in time

gummy

@melatonin

i think they’re very towny

frog

@melatonin

VOTE: kiiruma until you become towny I guess

@melatonin

I just don’t really know where to vote & don’t have a very convincing wolfcase for anyone

@melatonin

man willow’s posting is great right now, I apologize for slander

@melatonin

gth final two is may // jason where may is rolecop

lowers on jason both heads before meow goes back

(I am not claiming for this to be representative specifically w/rt repetitions or some of the ones i might’ve missed it’s really a ‘any read that catches my eye as notable’)

anyhow glgl hopefully the colors work

@melatonin

leafia
catbae
jason / frostwolf
36501 / willow / kiiruma
dia? weird anyway

what have they even said: carbon / hippo / zone, snow, tutuu, beancat, angryfrog

(meow; note gummy wants to kill jason)

@melatonin

actually I agree with like this entire thing mostly, except swapping soweli w/ frost and moving frog down to carbon’s tier

I don’t understand why everyone was?/is? sus of hippo. I saw hippo’s explanations that he was playing differently than usual, but I think I missed the initial push or something

meow

36501, Melatonin, Leafia, Frost, tutuu, catbae
soweli, kiiruma
carbon, angryfrog, hippo, willow
Dia, eve
Snow, beancat
(‘inactive, would be willing to vote them for pressure but not kill’ is purple. so is anything else that boils down to inactivity & wolfread/vote )

@melatonin

wait to be clear, I also do this. I townread everyone, but I am paranoid about them being safe townreads. but if I were to add all my asterisks, it would just sound like I have no reads, which. is sometimes true.

handy disclaimer from meow

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 3 [13/17]

alright here we go: 36501 - like fine. I probably townread a fair amount. I’ve said already that I think his jason reads felt very comfortable for me. overall I like the vibe of interacting with other players. like I would kinda characterize [36501, catbae, and tutuu] as the “biggest” players/I feel naturally gravitated towards them in this game, and 36501 feels the most grounded with interacting with people which I like. also jason thinks you’re town. my bias towards high post count players i…

36501, soweli, Leafia, Frost, catbae, snow, jason, tutuu
^note feelings are more muted generally but i only have two green colors (editor’s note: i lied)
willow, carbon
Eve
Hippo, beancat
dia, kiiruma, frog??
^moreso like ‘play seems similar to previous games’

i hate you for real for this list meow. ← things i wrote before seeing the end of reads list.

@melatonin

frost / jason / leafia
36501 / catbae
soweli / tutuu
willow / eve / carbon
approximate null? snow / beancat
hippo / kiiruma
dia / angryfrog

@melatonin

I guess in one world, you can call these my scumreads. I don’t really scumread any of them that much (except maybe frog). they’re more like, people I don’t mind voting today

clarification

@melatonin

snow - same feelings as catbae

squint. (ok i think this means just the recency bias part)

for those keeping track at home this upcoming list is the 4th readslist in d1

@melatonin

I don’t really want to vote tutuu

I don’t know what to make of hippo beancat mason if beancat just says no to hippo tomorrow or something but it would be bad if real

I don’t really want to vote eve

no longer want to vote dia

??? on frog

who is even left

@melatonin

I think top townread for me is just jason at this point, 36501 probably second shrug.

jason, 36501
dia, eve, tutuu
hippo, frog
^people there

@melatonin

jason, 36501, dia, leafia
I’m fine throwing soweli in too
frost, but I’m a little paranoid that him being wolf makes him townier because his points are more coherent or something (and I’m pocketed by his you/me t/t read)

towncore exclusive

@melatonin

jason / 36501 / dia / leafia / soweli
frost
tutuu / frog
beancat
eve / kiiruma / snow / carbon / willow

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 3 [13/17]

okay i think one of tutuu/36501 is mafia but idt they’re getting voted out today im getting suspicious of you but you’ve pinged me a lot less than you did in the last 2 games so i’ll ignore it …im not sure i like angryfrog’s posting anymore my top town is frost // jason // eve i think i think snow is town // i think willow is town

EoD2
frost, jason, eve
snow, willow
tutuu/36501
halfway through d3 to date postcountwise

@melatonin

dia / 36501? / leafia / eve
soweli / jason? / tutuu
frog
beancat / frost / kiiruma?
willow?

meow

UNVOTE

36501 is right about defenses being anti-convincing but fine enough at times i guess something i’m tiredd
still like nowhere near as obvtowny as meow was lat game. curious

[soweli]

Frieren: Beyond Journey's End Mafia - Day 3 [13/17]

er like, what’s the consensus narrative of what happened eod1 regarding how our slot read/interacted with hippo, voted carbon, and then swapped back to hippo if you think we’re wolf meow

idk what consensus is my take is that you were defending (or rather not-pushing) hippo until you realized it was too late & wanted cred as momentum was switching. you don’t have good grounds to defend him unless you’re mirroirng the “he’d be better as wolf” but you generally take a more ‘eh he’s not posting htat much’ stance up until EoD & then going for carbon instead is reputable (iirc you didn’t get there through ‘don’t kill the mason’ means and then were ultimately somewhat late on the beancat thing as well

[soweli]

@jason.mrrown
did your task

[soweli]

ftr i think i came out thinking worse of melatonin’s reads

[soweli]

like besides gummy’s newfound reads the main thing they disagree on is jason not that other disagreements don’t exist but it normally feels like one head reads one alignment the other reads null but influenced by other head’s read

[AngryFrog]

VOTE: kiiruma

Can I rename myself to townyfrog yet

[AngryFrog]

I did not understand the section that i quoted

[AngryFrog]

Melatownin’

[AngryFrog]

I see the vision

[melatonin]

@soweli

squint . (ok i think this means just the recency bias part)

clarifying bc important to clarify: I meant I agreed w catbae’s read on them; I didn’t really want to focus on a new player

my list was meant to piggyback off his in the moment, I didn’t make it clear though

meow

[melatonin]

@soweli

(iirc you didn’t get there through ‘don’t kill the mason’ means and then were ultimately somewhat late on the beancat thing as well

I think gummy went onto carbon bc of the mason thing and then realized beancat was inactive and swapped back

I brought up hippo could be just buying time (“I don’t know what to make of hippo beancat mason if beancat just says no to hippo tomorrow or something but it would be bad if real”) but I didn’t have time to expand on that at the moment. I don’t think the thought itself was particularly late & gummy and I both came to it independently. I just was not free to think further about it (same happened w snow, I didn’t see the discrepancy discussion until post eod)

meow

[melatonin]

36501 said tutuu to frog (after tutuu claimed I think)

meow

[melatonin]

hello meow

~g

[melatonin]

what do you think of jason now that he swapped to towncasing us

~g

[melatonin]

me scrolling up and watching meow dispense all our likes

nooo…

~g

this is the most calm time to post i feel like

no er mob of people calling for our death

~g

unfortunately i have pulled an all nighter for my 9 am exam rip

[melatonin]

gummy is my townier half true. only gets worse from here!

@jason.mrrown

inb4 meow/gummy accuse me of trying to pocket them ggs unwinnable

yeah my first thought was don’t give me false hope like last time

meow

[melatonin]

go respond to jason & how’s the studying going, I’m going back to sleep soon

messed up you’re up this late by the way

and yeah rip our likes I just can’t help it…

meow

[melatonin]

@melatonin

no er mob of people calling for our death

there weren’t that many. and we are poe.

meow

[melatonin]

I mean it’s a 25% town case off you being towny d1. I think the effort was put in (e.g., the read of you being uninformed because you jumped to 36501 having tmi over jason being townreadable) is not a read jason would have to make if he was wolf. I think I went to sleep just having a lot of difficulty seeing a wolf jason world & maybe this reaffirms. don’t slack now though jason or the doubts come back :)

meow