yeah
i guess im a little confused why may chose to track 22
~g
part of me. was. faintly suspicious of you for the lack of tunneling in this game in general, in that your strongest reads have been townreads rather than your scumreads. pretty impressive progressive if true
meow
I don’t think an explanation was given or maybe it was wanting to verify tutuu’s visits? 36501 saying they realized they did a silly action earlier in the day before claiming
meow
huh okay?
i do remember seeing that they kept saying they did a silly action
idk
i breadcrumb stuff like that as mafia and i guess tracking the neighborizer is like a little weird
~g
whtaever i’ll think abt htis later or probably not at all
Oh don’t worry about it, at least this time I survived a couple of days, got to enjoy faking having an ability for a tiny bit and hopefully wasted a rolecop. Plus this way I don’t need to have the pressure of solving on me, it’ll be up to those who might’ve misread me to clutch up 
I feel like it’s easily fakeable tbh. Like I’d want to think that W!Willow wouldn’t do a fake mistake like that, but I don’t think it outs willow as unpaired or whatnot. Another concern is… what does it mean for Willow for the entirety of the previous night? Does it mean Willow didn’t look at the flip at all, then skipped over it too? As that feels… unusual.
The thing is, it doesn’t really matter to me that it’s in Leafia’s townrange, as it’s a NAI thing for her overall. My read on Leafia is honestly just a ‘I’m concerned everyone’s townreading Leafia when it feels like there’s not many big reasons to do so’ and my mind’s getting very tunneled there.
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Did Tutuu claim neighborizer during day 2?
D2 yeah
~g
theyre like fine but everyone else is like. more than fine. well nearly everyone else. theyve just not done anything that pulls me strongly towards thinking theyre town
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I am still the least confident in kiiruma being town at the moment, but I am concerned about the edge case where this is t/t bc whichever of us is executed today, if they flip town, I do think the other should probably also be executed from a poe-clearing standpoint (I retract this if this happens and I’m not the one voted out naturally), but that would give mafia two miskills and game gets harder I think
I think if kiiruma is mafia, 36501 does not make sense as a partner regardless of how deepwolf they could be because tracker when there is 1 mafia left basically means they have to be a priority shot & mafia currently needs more misexes to win than a fake redcheck could give. the hypothetical wolf 36501 could say something about how they’re actually only 2x (to match tutuu’s neighborize) but they’re still too townread & good to have to justify being alive later
if kiiruma is town. I start feeling a little concerned about clearing someone/someones in the towncore & I don’t think it’s as easy as “find one more villager and auto.” if kiiruma dies over me today & flips town, I entirely get that I would be the obvious next vote, but that’s a non issue right now.
towncore is towncore for good pushes and/or mech. if there is/are deepwolves, I think it’s off socials not mech.
I think my current strongest townreads/people in towncore I feel very against ever being pushed as a deepwolf are dia and soweli. I don’t think dia would holster the factional in this gamestate, so the mech is very convincing & I think they sound a lot more unsure about me/willing to entertain other worlds than they do when they are wolf. soweli does feel genuinely invested in “solving” us and has put a non trivial amount of effort into doing it. I don’t think mafia has to bother putting in that effort at all.
I think eve is still likely extra mech confirmed & I kinda never think she should be the exe. I’m putting my faith in carbon.
dia has suggested the next exe if me/kiiruma is t/t could be jason. the way jason was treating our slot sod3 felt kinda bad faith. but his d1 feels incredibly accurate for town jason & his most recent analysis of gummy’s d1 did feel mostly in good faith. I expect the d2 analysis to be…less flattering & I’m afraid I’m clearing jason too easily because I historically townread him as wolf. but I really can’t make myself ever see wolf jason in how he’s been acting & maybe I need to reread past wolf jason games but people won’t really listen to this post, so I can be wrong.
I would put tutuu in the top tier because he keeps expressing the desire to properly read us and solve, which is towny (+ the block & general posting), but he hasn’t actually shown any read on me today despite it all (I know our iso is long, but still). so until that happens, I’ll reserve judgment.
36501 and leafia both have town vibes to them. if kiiruma is town, the leafia tunnel may be worth peripherally considering. I don’t see why 36501 would bus teammates, but I think w tracker claim, should be relatively self-resolving and be worried if they endgame. I guess I’m a little pinged by not a lot of trying to read us this game, it’s been a lot of ehh they seem fine & they seem fine with either me or kiiruma going over (the vote on kiiruma suggests their preference but there hasn’t been a whole lot on why). but they also seem busy & I can believe that’s the reason. I’m also a bit influenced bc gummy thinks it’s 36501. and I still don’t really get Frost’s reason but yeah. if it is 36501, I think frost is a pretty plausible partner though
…I have just missed my bus stop again wonderful this needs to stop happening
overall, this is very very edge case. but where my thoughts are at if the game isn’t easy & gets to this point.
meow
metalonin is towny
Then yeh I don’t buy that tracker claim is town. I am sorry, but this is damning
VOTE: 36501
snapread but i feel like if i was a wolf I’d see how metalonin posts and go “wow they’re quite towny by the way they post might be difficult to push later”
melatonin posting really damn well if wolf, but i don’t think they’re out of wolf range. gummy is shockingly good wolf, i remember locking her as town in that … the previous bastard game by prophylaxis. forgot the name. she was w/w with catbae and did this elaborate theater where they faked frustration at each other. i wrongly townread both of them for it. meow is a very capable wolf, snowed people in the GIM game and didn’t lose WIM to keep posting despite a very rough position for the entire day. i dont think gummy got ‘best overall player 2025’ for nothing, i respect her wolf range
gummy and meow are representing large hydra dissonance which … is a toss-up tbh. if the personalities clash, there will always be dissonance. but it’s a very convenient tool to push wolf agenda. the slot can reasonably represent simultaneously townreading and wolfreading every single slot at the same time, and push whatever’s appropriate. like in a quantum computer
i don’t think gummy wolfreading me is that damning. she let her paranoia get to me in GIM and flash wagoned me. i am maybe inherently paranoia-inducing for her. i feel like v!meow ought to have a little better read on me, since, even though i’ve played less with meow, meow seems more analytical and she loves reading games she wasn’t in herself, whereas gummy is the more vibes-based one. “tutuu is evil based on vibes, snow is good based on vibes” isn’t outside of gummy’s town range. i just can’t help but be suspect that they might have weaponized that, as meow can’t reasonable argue something like that, she needs to elaborate with longer arguments, and that’s harder when you’re wolfing
i want to be fair and note some town pings i see. i dont read the gummy emotionally-charged posts as towny, as i think that’s in her wolf range (after that bastard game where she was w/w with catbae). i actually think that meow’s emotionally charged post ring towny, as i didn’t get the feeling meow is the type to use that to her advantage. since again, i see her as the analytical type. i imagine meow as Dexter and gummy as Dee Dee (from the cartoon Dexter’s Laboratory)
i think that the slot trying to expand the poe DRASTICALLY is more towny than not. not unfakeable; quite gutsy play if wolf. if they were to only slightly try to expand the PoE - that would be >rand wolfy. for example: reject me and Leafia (and only me and Leafia) being townread. me and Leafia are the LHF of the towncore. however, they tried to expand suspicion onto EVERYONE. may, soweli, dia. reads as so bizzare to me, almost akin to twtbaw. i actually don’t like ‘twtbaw’ as a methodology of obtaining a read. this is just a way to communicate it. id prefer something like “too bizarre to be wolf”
looking at my eod2 wagon - meow, jason, snow, eve. i dont think we have 3 wolves here. all of them stacking like that on me is insane, on day 2. yeah losing the 2nd wolf sucks, but you just dont out your team like that
so, max 1 wolf between {eve, jason, melatonin}. i feel silly for even talking about eve but im trying to cross my x’s and dot my t’s (not sure if i used that phrase correctly, going off memory)
both of them are suspecting each other (jason and melatonin), and while i consider myself good at mafia, i fold in the face of years long meta and knowledge outside mafia. like, it doesn’t matter how much i think i can read someone. when 2 ppl (in this case 3, melatonin and jason) know each other so well, more than i can imagine (since i literally barely know you guys), and when you are both calling each other wolves - im just inclined to trust you. like, at least one of you is my teammate. this is where dia comes in, with their confident scumread on melatonin. im inclined to listen to them, i dont think i can claim that i know better. that is, assuming dia is town, and i can’t help but assume that - we have no other explanation for missing mafia NK, and dia was on the snow wagon
i will admit that i will feel terrible if we chop melatonin and they flip town, because they have been playing their hearts out this day phase. i will feel like its my fault, like 95% my fault, 5% theirs. but i do want to respect:
- their wolfing capabilities
- jason and dia’s knowledge of both of them outside mafia
kiiruma offering to die reads towny to me. he is still not pushing wolves, which is wolfy, and i am frustrated if v!kiiruma is playing like this. if v!kiiruma, he did well in likely baiting some wolf action, as VT, but like, mafia is more than that, you gotta make social reads. you gotta show us the wolves. otherwise you can just sit back, as wolf, and let the village implode, it’s literally the easiest thing to do. i cannot mind read you to find you as town, i don’t know your role PM
the final reason why im inclined to vote melatonin is personal; selfish; emotional, but it’s because i want to honor soweli. me and soweli don’t see each other eye to eye in SO many things about mafia. we are natural Arch Rivals. i feel guilty about clashing with her, and this game she has been goating. her vote on snow was goated, and she has been playing her heart off. i dont understand how soweli’s brain works, but i want to honor the fact that she is my teammate and she confidently suspects melatonin. i think it would be a fallacy for me to think that i know everything about mafia (despite my achievements). it would just feel emotionally good for me to be humble and let myself get carried by soweli. it would like a relieving ending to a stressful story
VOTE: melatonin
sry if ur town. wp regardless of ur alignment, imo
if you are executed and flip town, i will sheep ur legacy, whatever it is. even if you are suspecting the top towncore, i will look into your case in good faith. in case the legacy between gummy and meow differs, i will prioritize sheeping meow’s legacy (sorry gummy, literally nothing personal, just trying to win <3)
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I don’t like this & I would like you to consider everyone and follow your best judgment. if kiiruma is town, I think you should re-eval towncore though (as I did a longpost on)
the post is overall good to me, I think, but it might be my gut reaction to a longpost, so I’ll think about it. tutuu can be between jason and eve tier on “hypothetical deepwolves in towncore” for now
also it’s not like I haven’t said I’m okay dying. weird how good your psychological analysis of me is that you’re disregarding, but sure I can understand your current conclusion given how gim worked out
meow
we didn’t play well I think, given this situation. but thank you
meow
don’t let 36501 push tutuu out I think
meow
I want to clarify I don’t think jason is wolf & I want a fair eval on him in good faith if people push him for our flip. kiiruma goes first though.
meow
I think your reasons for voting us over kiiruma are bad (dia literally hasn’t played as town with me in years? they don’t know how I feel as town without tmi), but the thought process behind your longpost feels very genuine, and you don’t need to be this unconfident as wolf here bc you have a strong reason to fall back on to push us for the flashwagon
meow
@36501 so explain your actions to me, see I got this correctly: your vote ended up on Tutuu on Day 1, tracked me on Night 1, start with voting Tutuu on Day 2 and because of counterwagon you decide to track Tutuu during Night 2. How come you have not tracked Tutuu first night?
You at least admit you have Tutuu in mind.
Snow would likely got help, I also get fooled by this because the vote is consistent with reason about Hippo’s claim. It is until pressure got the best out of him. You even said it yourself #2398, which you figure it out
Also, why are you voting Snow the moment he claimed? I get you are doing actually reading afterwards, is it because you don’t believe Kiiruma is roleblocked because Tutuu’s action failed?
Here is what I think, you tracked Kiiruma instead of me. That result is no doubt not a lie, it didnt go anywhere.
At least one deepwolf, no it has to be someone who’s not present in either wagon. Like I get you are doing process of elimination. But what stop you from doubting the towncore more?