[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

[Trochilidae]

@clonedcheese

That being said two separate people voting Leafia to L-2 and dipping is defonitely not a good look; if you cant do stuff justice, then wait until you can

Would vote one of magus/pigeon if not for the fact i am also going to sleep and i would prefer not to start a wagon before disappearing for 11 hours

finally, some sanity here. i’m still reading through the thread however i believe we’re along the same line of thinking here- may i ask if you agree with my earlier point about Magnus?

as for your second point. i will save you the trouble.
@Host_Account_2 /vote Magnus

[clonedcheese]

I disagree with the reasoning, especially this one:

@Trochilidae

this comes across as a panicked, low-efforting wolf. it’s performative and pandering.

Im not sure that I see it as someome going “shit i have to do something”, rather “oh this is an easy target”

I think the vote comes from a lazy scum more than a panicked scum, but scum nonetheless.

I also just saw this post:

@thepigeonnyc

I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

[BradLand]

/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Host_Account_2

If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.

[Host_Account_2]

Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Frog	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae	1/7
Leafia	Illwei, Magnus, thepigeonnyc	3/7
Thepigeonnyc	Bradland	1/7
Not Voting	clonedcheese, Squirrel2412, Leafia, Gorta, EliThePsycho, Professor	6

— Insanity

[Leafia]

Can’t sleep and just had to say this upon reading u ppl. Please don’t give me a heart attack like that. I was all the way up to L-1 less than 6 hours Into D1. If even one wolf had come in during that time, they could’ve quicklynched me ending the day there. Use some sense town, although some good came of this. I think the way Magnus came in and just plopped a vote down on me bringing me to L-1 with no explaination of why he was scumreading me was extremely scummy. That’s not something I can see a villager doing honestly. /vote Magnus @Host_Account_2

Now back to bed with me.

[Frog]

ABORT ABORT ABORT
LEAFIA IS YEET BAIT

ALSO I JUST REALIZED MAJORITY IS ENABLED DAY 1 LOL!!!

/VOTE PROFESSOR

PLEASE EXCUSE THE YELLING I’M HARD OF HEARING

[Frog]

Dear Aelin,

I was delighted to receive your message. Thank you the scoop on the frost! I’ll keep my eye on the thermometer, I have a feeling things are about to heat up soon. Speaking of keeping an eye out, is there anyone special you have your eyes on? Spill the deets!

Yours,
Frog

P.S.

peepee poopoo

[BradLand]

This Start of Day is weird…

[Aelin]

@clonedcheese

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

i dont really like the phrasing of this but i also dont have anything on hand to disprove it

@BradLand

/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Commando

If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.

elaborate

@Leafia

If even one wolf had come in during that time, they could’ve quicklynched me ending the day there.

. . .
. . .
im not the only one seeing this right?

@Frog

ALSO I JUST REALIZED MAJORITY IS ENABLED DAY 1 LOL!!!

.
f r o g
p i n e a p p l e
m a n
B O I

@Frog

Speaking of keeping an eye out, is there anyone special you have your eyes on?

check my first post
also
you havent used ‘yeet’ a single time in this thread… are you scum?

[BradLand]

@Aelin

@BradLand

/Vote: thepigeonnyc @Commando

If this flips mafia then Leafia is spewed town.

elaborate

This probably counts if either Magnus or Pigeon flip mafia but both just pulled the “Arive, Slap Vote On Top Wagon, Leave” move.

I actually put my vote on Pigeon for a weird over-explained but bad reasoned vote on Leafia, then immediately saying “Oh no, I’m going to get yeeted Day 1!” which was super awkward and performative as if he planned on saying it.
However when I went back to read his reasoning, it looks like he actually read what Leafia was posting? So I might’ve jumped the gun on him.

Either way I’m confused why both of them just jumped onto the main wagon and left like none of it was pro-town at all.

/Unvote thepigeonnyc

[Host_Account_2]

Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Frog	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia	2/7
Leafia	Illwei, Magnus, thepigeonnyc	3/7
Not Voting	clonedcheese, Squirrel2412, Gorta, EliThePsycho, Professor, Bradland	6

— Insanity

[Gorta]

Yes this is, also why was leafia at 5/7 votes on d1 lol

[Gorta]

everyone give your reasons

[Illwei]

Wow villaging in a low post count game is harder mentally to actually post

[Illwei]

Yes this is a lamist

[Gorta]

I think I am ok with voting professor, there are so many weird things there. also @Frog did I play with you at MU?

[Magnus]

@Frog

So you have chosen death, that’s fine by me :)

Tell me, do you care about post count, or don’t you?

That seemed to be your play IMO, ‘look I’m being helpful talking about the setup and how to play optimally’, but then you just kind of spam posts

You can’t have it both ways IMO

Also, I know literally no one here, I’ve vaguely heard of illwei, so if this is characteristic of your play maybe I’m off base, but I guarantee you, wolves post early in these kind of games more often than not

If you’re not a wolf, find at least ONE wolf in the group and convince me:
Illwei
BradLand
Trochilidae
Professor

@Frog

I’ve explained that wolves tend to want to appear helpful in ‘optimizing’ play, and I’ve applied that read to you. Combined with my read that wolves tend to post at start of day in light games, you fit the profile. I have given you the opportunity and benefit of the doubt to prove me wrong. If you choose to focus on OMGUS, enjoy your hole, I’ll pass you extra shovels.

I’m taking your explanation and applying it elsewhere, hope you don’t mind. I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

@Trochilidae

important note: i will not be wasting time and posts to respond to any questions that should’ve been asked yesterday (i will if necessary ofc but don’t make that your focus please)
but hell yeah i’m super excited to play with y’all (i am slightly rusty but give me a day or so and i’ll be self voting and ate’ing just like normal)

Trochi starts the game off the bait by promising to be useful in the near future, asserting their intention not to waste time by responding to unnecessary questions. This is a completely fair idea, and it’s what I will be doing as well.

Let’s see if Trochi keeps to this simple principle.

@Trochilidae

how much you wanna bet it’ll be the first hour?

as for me i’m resisting the urge to self vote because i’m lonely and for the memes so that’s how i’m doing
i missed this

@Trochilidae

i have a thought on this but i’m not sure if leafia not giving a shit about their postcount is AI
anyone got a link to previous leafia games cause i haven’t played here in a hot minute

@Trochilidae

sobs in ignored
anyways

@Leafia

It’s literally 35 minutes into the game and no one has posted anything AI yet and this is literally the first game I’ve been in that had such a low post cap so how the heck is caring about how much I post here AI?

reads are always AI in some part, no? it’s wrong to say nobody has posted anything AI you just haven’t had the time or the effort to look at the early reads closely enough yet

@Trochilidae

@Professor

The amount of people jumping on Leafia for something that is likely NAI for her is pretty concerning.

concerning how so? does this mean you think one of the people pushing on leafia is a wolf or that you think the amount of people piling on leafia alone proves her innocence? if it’s the first then by all means go more in depth you can’t just say something like this and not elaborate because now i’m interested

Here are my thoughts on these events; unlike Leafia at this time of day, Trochi decides to scumread immediately; Trochi mentioned having a few thoughts on Leafia’s apparent alignment, which cannot easily be determined at this point of the day, although at least Trochi doesn’t start by asserting Leafia is 100% undeniably Mafia or nonsense like that. Up to here, Trochi is acting Town in my eyes.

@Trochilidae

@Leafia

On second glance this post looks like Trochi is relaxed and comfortable but at the same time it has a slightly too friendly tone like he’s trying to make himself liked and it’s something I find slightly on the scummy side although I might be reading too much into it.

that’s the insecurity talking

A bit of a side note, but when Leafia was accused she brushed it aside, claiming it wasn’t serious. When Trochi is scumleaned by Leafia, they instinctively defend themself here.

[quote=“Trochilidae, post:53, topic:311”]
side note i’m liking brad so far especially this post
the way they came in at first with memes and meme votes seemed genuine and the fast switch from memes to serious reads is something i like as well especially as they aren’t afraid to shake up the thread with controversy which imo i don’t think a wolf would be brazen enough to do here

@Trochilidae

@Magnus

I cannot give this game the justice it deserves atm, and due to the post limit I would prefer to save my words for when it’s most valuable. I’ll share my thoughts sooner or later, hopefully before EoD.

In the meantime, I’ll jump on this vote. /Vote Leafia. (@Commando)

this comes across as a panicked, low-efforting wolf. it’s performative and pandering. i do not understand why a town member would enter the game and throw a vote on the leading wagon like this without any regard as to how it formed, or any effort to understand it. Magnus is doing something simply to do something, to follow the crowd and attempt to blend in. i do not like it and believe this kind of behavior is far likelier to come from a wolf.

I’m not the right person to defend myself, so I’ll share my thoughts and move past this. Up to now, Trochi’s made a few reads and hasn’t been particularly helpful in any major manner - like Brad, don’t like Leafia… correct me if I’m false about this. Trochi claims I threw a vote on the leading wagon without understanding those votes, whereas I had been lurking in the thread up to now as proven by Frog a few posts later. Csting a vote seeming randomly stands out far more than remaining silent, so ‘blending in’ is objectively false.

@clonedcheese

Im not sure that I see it as someome going “shit i have to do something”, rather “oh this is an easy target”

I think the vote comes from a lazy scum more than a panicked scum, but scum nonetheless.

I hadn’t been accused by anyone before entering the thread, so I really didn’t have to do anything whatsoever. I’ll ISO Cloned next, and then I’ll focus on someone else. Frog, maybe.

In any case, if I’m jumping on a wagon wildly for voting Leafia, Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

@clonedcheese

@thepigeonnyc

/vote Leafia

High poster so maybe could be seizing thread plus the posts are mostly fluff and defensive

WhOA whoA

These two are

Cringe

@clonedcheese

@thepigeonnyc

I didn’t read this post and now I’m going to be scumread and of course, killed D1

If im not mistaken this kind of “oh im gonna die” sarcasm (is that the word?) from pigeon is scum AI

These couple of posts come off as extremely weird to me in a way words cannot describe. These don’t feel like scumreads coming from Cloned. These feel like vote justifications.

@Trochilidae

@clonedcheese

That being said two separate people voting Leafia to L-2 and dipping is defonitely not a good look; if you cant do stuff justice, then wait until you can

Would vote one of magus/pigeon if not for the fact i am also going to sleep and i would prefer not to start a wagon before disappearing for 11 hours

finally, some sanity here. i’m still reading through the thread however i believe we’re along the same line of thinking here- may i ask if you agree with my earlier point about Magnus?

as for your second point. i will save you the trouble.
@Commando /vote Magnus

This makes sense, now. I’m being heavily accused for voting randomly, right before another player casts the same vote, on an already heavily voted player in a majority system. This ignores the fact that a D1 mislynch doesn’t really help Wolves, so I’d be ruining my own game as Mafia for trying this.

Here’s a counter proposal; we voted for different reasons, which coincidentally happened at the same time.

In case you’re wondering, this post is purely defence. I’m not scumreading here, although if I was I’d rather vote Cloned than Trochi right now. This isn’t justice.
/Unvote.

[BradLand]

@Gorta

everyone give your reasons

@BradLand

Like I can care less about Leafia using up her post count, like there’s people that just spam post and hit the cap as any alignment.

But the fact that she’s reacting to every single little thing, especially things like Cloned saying "first’ which is something he does every game and she’s probably seen as well, is not a good look.

@BradLand

Some people as mafia in the beginning of the game question or react to things that are usually jokes, messing around, or things that aren’t apart of the game in order to try to give off that they are comfortable in the thread. The numbering of the posts could just be a thing that looks pro-town in a vacuum to cover up anything else that they’re doing.

@BradLand

The main reason was that she’s over-reactive and going to things that if she was town she wouldn’t bother reacting to at all, like I said the ClonedCheese “first” post is something he’s done in every game and I’m sure she’s seen him do it plenty of times as well.
You brought up the “post count” thing and I simply stated why it can easily misclear her.

Also “Why do you scumread me, it’s only been an hour” is not a great defense either. I’ve caught mafia off of 2 posts in the beginning of a game.

I could’ve added more to this post but yeah just posting and reacting to every single little thing to try to make herself look “comfortable” in the thread.

Those were all my reasons that I stated.

[Host_Account_2]

votecountze

Voted	Voters	Votes
Professor	Aelin, Frog	2/7
Magnus	Trochilidae, Leafia	2/7
Leafia	Illwei, thepigeonnyc	2/7
Not Voting	clonedcheese, Squirrel2412, Gorta, EliThePsycho, Professor, Bradland, Magnus	7

– katze (does one VC and then goes to sleep, gamer host moment)

[Trochilidae]

good morning all.

@Magnus

I have to defend myself, because apparently one post and a vote is AI.

why wouldn’t it be? i agree with what my predecessor said: everything game-related is AI. anyone should be expected to have to defend themselves with this sort of entrance.

@Magnus

Trochi claims I threw a vote on the leading wagon without understanding those votes,

yes, i did claim that. you said that you “could not give this game the justice that it deserves”, and the way you treated your vote implied that you had not heavily read through the thread prior to posting. a simple “in the meantime i’ll put my vote here” without even an agreement with the Leafia scum case- or your own reason for voting her told me that you hadn’t understood the wagon.

@Magnus

Csting a vote seeming randomly stands out far more than remaining silent, so ‘blending in’ is objectively false.

casting a vote on anyone other than the leading wagon would not have been blending in, as it is my point stands.

@Magnus

In any case, if I’m jumping on a wagon wildly for voting Leafia, Cloned is jumping on a wagon to vote me with flimsy justification.

you did jump on a wagon wildly to vote Leafia. cloned’s reasoning is something i can follow. (at least he had justification).

@Magnus

This makes sense, now. I’m being heavily accused for voting randomly, right before another player casts the same vote, on an already heavily voted player in a majority system.

i don’t understand the point you’re trying to make, please elaborate.

@Magnus

This ignores the fact that a D1 mislynch doesn’t really help Wolves, so I’d be ruining my own game as Mafia for trying this.

….excuse me? and how, pray tell, does a correct D1 yeet help them? why would you as Mafia be ruining your game by trying to accomplish your objective?

side note: our pet peeve is being read either way for something that is inherently NAI if you must have an explanation for your own side note.