GOAT^2 - Game Thread (5/15) - Day 6 - Mafia wonnered

[Vulgard]

Good night May

[Vulgard]

@min

poe: eliza/magnus

poe but unconfident; okazo

maybe poe: marl lemon vulgard

maybe maybe poe: lol

never execute: king

idk: everyone

This was ~never the reason for the nightkill

@lol

illwei says zorvo might have scumslipped doesnt vote zorvo or anyone for that matter

3 random people who are here to crack a joke and a man with a dream jump instead

tragedic

Neither was this

@Illwei

ugh I townread lemon for something earlier yesterday (d3) but her solving is nonexistant. It’s asking other people for readslists and then doing nothing with them? so it seems. Is she even voting?

@Illwei

and neither is fucking YBW

Neither was this

Wolves killed people who were wrong the entire game

I skipped over Zorvo because he was ~always killed for the JOAT claim (good play btw) over anything else

And he was saying that I was bussing Eliza which was also wrong

Honestly I don’t think anyone has been right this whole game at least since day 1 about O. kazo

I think wolves were just JOAT hunting and failing really badly because everyone who’s been killed had a bunch of wolfreads on villagers

Which leads me back to the “wolves thought Lemon was a ML and not JOAT” theory

But I can see all three of Brad/Molly/May fit into that

I guess Molly/May actively pushed May and Brad didn’t?

[Vulgard]

actively pushed Lemon*

[Vulgard]

But like I said this isn’t very strong because the two wolves could’ve taken different stances

[Vulgard]

Actually I’m getting to a part where Brad did actually wolfread Lemon for a bit so that theory I had earlier is even less likely to be true

@BradLand

VOTE: Unvote

I’m so confused right now.

Like she said she read a certain portion and had “new thoughts”, but immediately left and voted on Marl without saying anything else.

Then comes in today and says that she read until she started posting today, and said she’ll never be able to catch up so she’ll skim.

(this is about Lemon)

Brad about May and Molly

@BradLand

@May

Basically, if Zorvo is wolf, probably a wolf in Brad/Vulgard. If Brad is wolf, probably at maximum one wolf in Zorvo/YBW, but those two easily could be V/V. All very early, subject to change.

Feel like you’re stretching way too hard to try to find preflip connections with this because it’ll cause more mistakes read wise, although it’s probably just a train of thought that you’re continuing which looks fine in a vacuum.

@BradLand

May I said before going on a tangent going through possible teammate reads when asked about it feels like a continuation of a train of thought that feels natural thus I think is towny.

Ehhhh this doesn’t really feel W/W to me, it feels more like he’s TMIng May as town

@BradLand

In my catch up I’d like to call Molly a higher townlean for posts that involve her talking about reading Marl town, and then following it up by talking about how she would vote to save Marl if it was needed.

And this feels like a bit of a nonsensical townread, wanting to save your townreads is a normal thing that’s easily fakeable yet molly is town for that apparently

@BradLand

Never mind I looked at the vote count and saw it was Molly.

I’ll keep my vote off in case of hammer but I’m intending to sheep you today.

Kind of a weird turnaround but it never actually went anywhere

@BradLand

@Vulgard

Why do I feel like you’re going after LHF all game?

@BradLand

No offense to Molly on this at all.

That’s… weirdly placating and out of place
Not sure what to think about this one

@BradLand

Okay Lemon thanks for pointing out my townread list has been mostly right and my reasoning for calling Molly town.

@Vulgard @May

Get off Molly.

For a defense of partner this would be incredibly bold but either way he’s talking to his partner about unvoting a villager or talking to a villager about unvoting a wolf and I feel like the second one is a bit more likely?

@BradLand

Molly town.

Yeah the “intending to sheep Vulgard on Molly” part sure didn’t last long

@BradLand

Never mind vote back on Molly again.

What is this

@BradLand

Then went after Eliza, Illwei, then Molly now who are LHF slots in this game.

Defense of Molly calling her LHF while pushing me
A Brad/Molly team is becoming increasingly likely

This is also just under a response to May’s ‘confidence of the wolves’ post as well so I feel like Brad might’ve been trying to appeal to May while answering their question

Also Brad had these weird flip-flops on Molly last day phase that don’t really make much sense but his actual agenda seems to be “defend molly”

@BradLand

No idea between Lemon and May. That might be the remaining squad if Magnus is town.

Oh this just feels awful actually considering Magnus was indeed town
It feels like setting up Lemon and May for tomorrow and with neither of them being the nightkill that’s even more likely

@BradLand

God dammit I forgot I townread Molly as well.

Stop it…

@BradLand What did you mean here

@BradLand

Why doc Molly?

Why not? You had a townread on her for most of the game?

@BradLand

Jesus christ May’s posts are mad performative and annoying.

And this is about May today

On Brad’s side I think he’s less aligned with May and more aligned with Molly
Some posts are giving me doubt though, particularly the ones I don’t really understand and have no apparent reason to exist

[Vulgard]

Molly about Brad

@mollylikesorigami

sorry but i think marl’s one of the most obvious villagers in the thread lol

i think in particular look at how his reads on you/brad developed, with how he townread you for getting what he thought was the easy dunk on brad. it really feels like he believes his brad read, and like it’s so obvious to him that of course someone else had to point it out and have the same thought. just a sense of camaraderie/validation i very, very rarely see from wolves.

The entirety of day 1 is her talking about Brad by proxy, without ever giving a read on him

@mollylikesorigami

i think brad’s worst crime is just being underwhelming, don’t have the same meta as y’all so i don’t know what his polarization looks like sorry.

This isn’t a read, this is a cop-out

@mollylikesorigami

marl
may
min
vul
zorvo

kt
lemon
lol
magnus
ybw

eliza

brad
okazo
silviu

There’s no reason for Brad to be this low based on the ISO prior

@mollylikesorigami

i have definitely seen moments of towniness from brad today and would take him out of the immediate poe, but idg how he thinks he’s been obvious town since d1 lol

No explanation for this
At least there’s some progression but eh

@mollylikesorigami

i gotta run for dinner

wanna rep a reasonably strong townread on brad for his posts today before i go

No explanation, again
Molly went from Brad being her PoE read / wolfread to Brad being her strong townread from d1 into d2 without any real elaboration on the why of it

@mollylikesorigami

brad still seems classically villagery

Doesn’t change her mind, still not much reasoning given

@mollylikesorigami

brad
vul
ybw

illwei
kt

in the event that i can’t save myself, i think the best solve i can come up with is just don’t kill these people and win

Brad as top townread is interesting and pretty bold, then again Brad did something similar with molly when loudly defending her

Yeah I definitely see this as aligned, Molly barely talks about Brad at first, puts him into her PoE when he’s not in danger, then changes her read on him into a townread and it stays that way for the entire game without being reconsidered

Coupled with Brad’s mostly aligned-looking treatment of Molly this is looking like a decently likely world

Molly about May

@mollylikesorigami

i think the may tr is being a little oversold, but they are pretty consistently villagery, and a few of the strongest trs on them seem unaligned from them, so i’m not worried wolves are like, taking advantage of the read or anything.

This is a weird take on May that I’m not sure how to assess
It has shades of ‘please stop townreading May’ but those shades aren’t very strong

@mollylikesorigami

marl
may
min
vul
zorvo

May is her second top townread at this point so it looks like she dropped her reservations

@mollylikesorigami

maybe some wolves are just more badass than i am but i don’t think most wolves would immediately come in and shield may as boldly as marl and ybw if may’s a wolf? and then a lot of people accept the read but without much passion, which, if they’re wolves, seems more like conceding to the read than propping it up.

it’s not a super strong read of course, it’s working off of a lot of generalizations of how people tr’d may that might not be as accurate as i remember. such are threadstate reads.

This is correct and I liked this read back when it was made
Don’t think it means much in regard to them being paired/unpaired though

@mollylikesorigami

i understand that may’s d2 was meh for oog reasons, i’m just concerned that they’re the one approaching me the most opportunistically rn. their reasoning seemed the laziest with just echoing “tmi” after really, really rarely talking about me all game, and then they also threw in that obviously weighted question about “who has the most accurate reads” that it felt like it could just be mooching off of vul’s read.

I think this turnaround makes sense
Yeah in terms of molly’s treatment of May so far I don’t see something clearly aligned/unaligned, just ‘good posts’ about May
I guess that makes them more unaligned than aligned because it’s typically harder to write good posts about people you know are your partners but I don’t even believe this very strongly to be honest

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: May

my motivation is shot, so pretend i’m finding a productive way to ask “what exactly the fuck was that”

my brain isn’t fully functional anymore but it was when i decided to do this so i’m sheeping me

ask my fully functional brain for specifics later

Hmm

@mollylikesorigami

may’s handling of her me/kt world has just felt… ick. it’s been stagnant, to the point that it’s seemed like she’s just voting whichever of us she can get away with at any given time. afaict the most she justified the two of us actually being connected was just… quoting a bunch of posts where i gave thoughts on kt, and i mean, ok some things are hard to explain, but really, that’s the magic clue you found that’s letting you spend the rest of the game treading water?

where’d the creative hyperactive d1 may go i miss that may

This feels like she’s trying to ML May

@mollylikesorigami

@May

Welcome to my Molly/KT wolf world I don’t know if I fully believe it but I sure have constructed it and once I’ve built a world I usually don’t let it go. I’ll have to re-evaluate if Eliza flips W, of course, but I suspect I’ll bemore focused on deflecting the various objects that will be thrown at me in that case.

like lmao this post is so empty and it’s where she thinks she’s struck gold. i might be biased, but the “once i’ve built a world i tunnel it” seems unprompted and self aware, like she just had to preemptively say “no guys, look, this wolfy thing i’m doing is actually nai for me”.

This part especially

@mollylikesorigami

VOTE: May

i’m sorry but the only reason i’m not immediately burning you to the ground is that illwei just died.

And this
I feel like if May were Molly’s partner she wouldn’t feel the need to drop them from her townreads and kick them for consecutive days
I’ll read May’s side of things later but this seems far less aligned than the posts about Brad which look extremely aligned

A bit worried about some distancing going on but Molly/May seems significantly less aligned and therefore less likely to be the world than Molly/Brad

I left reading May for last because they spam wallposts and a lot of word salad (sorry May but you’ve even said so yourself!) but so far I’m leaning Molly/Brad pretty strongly

Lmk what you think, again, I’m not 100% on this

[Vulgard]

Would also like Brad to answer my questions that are nested in the above few posts

[Vulgard]

If it’s Molly/Brad then I’ve been playing terribly for the entire game
Then again everyone who’s been nightkilled has been super wrong

[mollylikesorigami]

LMFAO thanks lemon i needed that today

[mollylikesorigami]

i only need to unalign a pair to find a wolf

in terms of independent reads i’m thinking vul is the most villagery of the three, but the gamestate feels like it points to him more than the other two. a brad/may team isn’t usually the kind that scores a ton of misses without breaking a sweat and spends the game joat hunting.

may has certainly been a bit of a disaster in thread. i think in terms of attitude, she’s stayed villagery in spite of everything, like she doesn’t care what the world thinks of her, she won’t let a couple incidents kill her momentum for good, she seemed like she was legit agonizing over magnus dying, so like, the things she does, she does with the tone of a villager. but oh god, the actual things she does lmao.

brad has had good moments, but yeah, he’s deflating

@BradLand

Not the JOAT, waiting for the claim.

@BradLand

Yeah probably, just gonna wait for the full picture.

@BradLand

Why doc Molly?

@BradLand

Jesus christ May’s posts are mad performative and annoying.

@BradLand

They probably are I stopped reading after a few sentences.

also posting these and dipping is cringe

“why doc molly” is brad’s entire reaction to the claim

but i don’t need to screw around with my shitty independent reads anymore, i just have to find one slightly less shitty not w/w read!

[Vulgard]

@mollylikesorigami

in terms of independent reads i’m thinking vul is the most villagery of the three, but the gamestate feels like it points to him more than the other two. a brad/may team isn’t usually the kind that scores a ton of misses without breaking a sweat and spends the game joat hunting.

Thing is I defended most of the misses and potential misses until I started pushing my reads harder and caused some misses of my own

@mollylikesorigami

may has certainly been a bit of a disaster in thread. i think in terms of attitude, she’s stayed villagery in spite of everything, like she doesn’t care what the world thinks of her, she won’t let a couple incidents kill her momentum for good, she seemed like she was legit agonizing over magnus dying, so like, the things she does, she does with the tone of a villager. but oh god, the actual things she does lmao.

brad has had good moments, but yeah, he’s deflating

Why the bolded
You had an unshaken townread on him for four consecutive days, why is this a concern now?

[mollylikesorigami]

it’s been a concern for a while, i hadn’t thought it was enough on its own

i obviously have to take it as a serious concern now

i poked him on it yesterday, but i didn’t think it was a super important thing compared to may waving her arms calling me a wolf for being aligned with someone who had thread presence

[Vulgard]

What do you think of May right now

[mollylikesorigami]

@BradLand

Oh I thought you replied to something.

It wasn’t a serious read it was a joke.

i was gonna say this was not w/w because brad got caught off guard by vul

i then realized brad could’ve literally just not expected vul to bus him at sod1 so ignore me

@BradLand

@May

Basically, if Zorvo is wolf, probably a wolf in Brad/Vulgard. If Brad is wolf, probably at maximum one wolf in Zorvo/YBW, but those two easily could be V/V. All very early, subject to change.

Feel like you’re stretching way too hard to try to find preflip connections with this because it’ll cause more mistakes read wise, although it’s probably just a train of thought that you’re continuing which looks fine in a vacuum.

do wolves soapbox to each other like this? it would be weird, but no reason not to.

@BradLand

@May

What else do you have in total with reads so far? Like any townreads?

@BradLand

That’s…fine I guess?

just throwing in an example of the kind of empty softball interactions brad/may often have

@BradLand

@Vulgard

Who are you confident flips a wolf today?

@BradLand

Never mind I looked at the vote count and saw it was Molly.

I’ll keep my vote off in case of hammer but I’m intending to sheep you today.

this would be a pretty ballsy w/w move if w/w lol

@BradLand

@Vulgard

Why do I feel like you’re going after LHF all game?

@BradLand

Okay so it might be Vulgard then.

@BradLand

VOTE: Vulgard

@BradLand

1 in Vulgard/YBW.

1 in Magnus…was going to say “KinkTool” but I just liked his responses to Magnus probably just mafia…

this push feels like it’s based on relatively little, started for relatively little reason, and disappeared for relatively reason

[mollylikesorigami]

even i’m disappointed with how little i came up with there :/

[mollylikesorigami]

i feel like i read most brad posts in identical tone or something and it makes it hard for me to tell the difference between him having normal conversation and feeling threatened/feeling the need to appeal to someone lmao

so i have like, two tiny things from him that look not w/w, and the rest could be contrived to be partnery with someone but realistically could go any way

[mollylikesorigami]

@mollylikesorigami

may has certainly been a bit of a disaster in thread. i think in terms of attitude, she’s stayed villagery in spite of everything, like she doesn’t care what the world thinks of her, she won’t let a couple incidents kill her momentum for good, she seemed like she was legit agonizing over magnus dying, so like, the things she does, she does with the tone of a villager. but oh god, the actual things she does lmao.

[mollylikesorigami]

i’ll do the same thing with may/vul at an hour at which i should actually be awake

[Vulgard]

@mollylikesorigami

i then realized brad could’ve literally just not expected vul to bus him at sod1 so ignore me

Again, freaking read the game I linked because we were just W/W there, literally not even a month ago

[Vulgard]

How do people keep reading Brad and making reads on me/Brad in terms of how aligned we are without reading the game where we were literally aligned as wolves that literally just happened, it actually boggles my mind