Ice Cream Mafia 2 - Day 6 (4/14)

[Zone_Q11]

@Litten

It’s not even that he was succesful at going UTR

…you do realize that AFAICR, I am the only one who seems to remember him, right?

If that isn’t a successful hide, then I don’t know what is.

[Litten]

You could argue they wanted to bus Kel, but that doesn’t line up with Skrim’s posts towards Kel, or, I guess the lack of posts about it. It doesn’t do anything to improve Skrim’s position if Kel flips wolf, it just makes the wolf team be in a worse position if Kel somehow magically flipped wolf and Skrim was saved as Skrim would probably die very quickly anyway.

[Zone_Q11]

The creation of a new wagon doesn’t necessarily guarantee success, but I do agree that it would be a suboptimal choice of actions compared to joining any other wagon…

Unless?

Oricorio and I fought had a scuffle all the way in the beginning because of our differing opinions on how whispers should be treated. (I remember it now.) What if… What if Oricorio hails from a community where voting a scumbuddy to help out another scumbuddy was normal?

[Litten]

The probability isn’t zero.

[Litten]

@Zone_Q11

Oricorio and I fought had a scuffle all the way in the beginning because of our differing opinions on how whispers should be treated. (I remember it now.) What if… What if Oricorio hails from a community where voting a scumbuddy to help out another scumbuddy was normal

I don’t think it even helps Skrim, is the thing. They vote out Kel…and then, the next day Spooky goes “good job guys, one down, now let’s go after Skrim :D” with me co signing it

[Zone_Q11]

I have already been bribed. Even if Kel’s the last mafia, I won’t think about it anymore Today.

[Litten]

I’m so glad I purchased that laser pointer a couple weeks ago.

[Chomps]

I ask tonw to consider the litten vote here, they have indeed lived for too long and on the case they are mafia we can vote bradland on the f3, a wolf litten on the last execution probably squiggles out of it and If we kill killen now we still can get bradland later.

If you think I am wolf for this you can vote me too but we’re gonna lose

[Chomps]

killen → litten

[Litten]

I don’t know why you guys are acting like me living long is a sin in a game with a doctor mechanic. I asked people to heal spooky yesterday and the day previously precisely because I did not feel like dealing with people suspecting me if I was still alive, and even after zone agreed to heal spooky, they still healed me and spooky died instead of me.

[Litten]

It’s literally your guys fault we are in f6

[Litten]

Why did you even heal brad or Skrim neither of them were going to die at night

[Chomps]

[Litten]

You let a confirmed town who voted out two mafia die at night and voted to protect Brad. I don’t know what to tell you.

[Chomps]

I voted Brad beacuse that seemed to be the pattern mafia is going for kills, slots that were near brad’s position on overall reads

[Litten]

And now you want to vote out the other person who was also responsible for the mafia being voted out. I don’t get it.

[Litten]

You don’t use doctor to save someone from a kill. You use the doctor on who you want to keep alive. That’s why I literally tried coordinating the doctor and told - mind you, multiple people multiple times to heal the player who died last night.

[Chomps]

That’s just gonna circle us back to

me: mafia can bus
litten: wtf i never bus literally

it was said earlier

[Litten]

@Litten

I don’t really get why people are town reading Skrimiche. I liked their play with instigating and asking questions and prodding people, but they haven’t really pushed to affect the game state in any way. I don’t really think that’s scummy for Skirmiche, but, considering I last played with them four years ago, I think they are an old enough player to where what they have done so far, doesn’t really mean a lot for them being town.

@Oricorio

I just saw you give two townreads and then a lot of hedges. I think your “analyzing” perhaps needs to be a bit deeper

@Oricorio

Like this post, it says basically nothing about their alignment

@Litten

I haven’t finished. I’ve still been doing it

@Litten

It wasn’t meant to be seen as a brag, it was more so trying to get him to actually expand on his world view this game rather than focus on me, which is pretty easy for a wolf to focus on and push. The Skrimiche post itself isn’t even a read, it’s just an observation about their play and me trying to figure out why people are town reading them for that. If it was meant to say something about their alignment, I would have said it.

@Oricorio

Meh, “I don’t really get why people are town reading Skrimiche” feels like an attempt at shading without establishing any real suspicion. I’d say there’s a difference between that and asking someone “Why do you townread Skrimiche?”

@Litten

If you want I can literally give you my town games where I said the exact same thing almost verbatim

@Litten

Town:
Brad
Zone
Spooky
Leafia

People I town read, but I don’t really have a hard justification for it:
Garfooled
Kel
Chomps

People I don’t care about right now
Wazza
Ori
Frost
Skirmische

People I should probably care about right now but I’m too tired and too blind to do so
Ori
Skirmische

Wolf reading
Pandora
Marluna

I think Chomps point that Marluna was commenting about to seem as though they were town was fair and I think it’s beneficial to be wolf reading them right now to support my town win con. I still don’t like the direction of Pandora’s pushes, I still think their posting reminds me of lunacy, that being said if Pandora truly believes Leafia and or Brad are mafia and they are town slap me across the face multiple times as you might be right and sometimes you need to smack a litten to get him to be right.

@Litten

VOTE: Skrim

@Litten

Skrim was one of the most active players yesterday. They asked a lot of questions, tried to understand players, even instigated a lot. Yet all they did yesterday was sit on Pandora and state that they would be unsure on other players if they changed to them. Spooky called this out EOD before the execution

@Litten

I don’t actually know if I said this before or after eod I’m kinda just fucked up from plasma rn but my notes of what I said were I think Brad is approaching the game in a way that aligns with how I’m viewing it, Zone has changed so much over the years and I’m reading a game where he said I’m dangerous because I know how to read him and I’m like what the fuck what happened to the old zone, why are you being so passive, spooky is so adorable I feel bad about being mean to them, I think Pandora is mafia cuz they keep hitting the exact same notes zone should flip right meow (cuz I just wrote a wall on them and I don’t like not knowing if I’m right), leafia I’m not (okay I sorta realized this is before eod atp but I’m already transcribing my litten thoughts and notes so I’m not bothering fixing it) that confident on and them and Pandora can be easily teamed (oh yeah, that’s also why I asked Skrim and Spooky how they treated partners, I was trying to gain in formation to build teams later), apparently the only notes I had on Skrim was they were a wolf off thread play , leafia is town but just wrong (which sorta lines up with their behavior today which is why I said they were town)

Those are all the thoughts apparently I had you guys will have to settle for that while I unfuck myself

@Litten

I don’t need your help in flipping wolves it’s fine

@Litten

The reason I’m voting Skrim is that are they are reactive, rather than proactive. This might seem like an insane take considering the fact that they have been asking insane amount of questions, have been instigating conflicts between people, but it’s an objectively true take.

They asked a lot of questions, but didn’t use those questions to change or create a world view. In fact it seems they cared about the wrong things during the game. Skrim parked their vote on Pandora for most of the day, yet they only asked two questions from Pandora and didn’t actually try to solve the slot further, which seems to be against what their play style suggests they would do - they would prod the people they find suspicious, ask them questions, and try to get them to post something they could read. Yet they didn’t actually do this for Pandora. It suggests to me they didn’t actually care about solving Pandora, they just felt they needed their vote on someone and Pandora was a good enough target for that.

Even at EOD, they didn’t actually care about what was happening, they were asking questions to me, looking at what leafia was saying, there’s a complete disconnect between what was happening itt and what they were actively doing.

their vote on Pandora

@Skrimiche

hi gamers, sorry for the inactivity. family wanted to spend time together today

@spookycat27

@skrimiche is your vote on me serious atp i can’t tell

no, it was there for RVS and i didnt feel strongly enough about anyone to feel comfortable moving

although ig atp it’s better to have it somewhere closer to where i plan to be on by EoD (i assume there’s not gonna be the customary EoD shenanigans that im used to?)
so VOTE: Pandora half because i remember not liking some of their posts (dont recall which specific ones, but if someone pokes me i’ll go and find them), half sheeping litten’s earlier read of them

@spookycat27

skrim can (probably) vouch I play differently depending on the site as a sort of subconscious thing

Idk if I’m qualified to vouch for this since I don’t think I’ve played with you outside of Hypixel, but I believe you on this tbh

@Leafia

You’ll learn how I operate in due time. Now good night everyone.

aww but im impatient :(

They, don’t even care enough to go relook at which Pandora posts they find sus unless someone prods them to do so. And half their justification is just sheeping me. I would expect them to have been more inquisitive and cared more about their vote but, they just weren’t.

@Litten

I’m considering that I was wrong on BradLand. The reason I’m considering that is I’m world building teams right now, and well, Brad Ori and Skrim feels like an awesome team to me. BradLand comes in to town read both of them, Ori as a pseudo town leader who’s there to make sure town doesn’t get any fancy ideas, and Skrim is just there. I don’t have a role for you in that world. I’m sure it’s a cool role anyway.

@Litten

Anyway, I’ve been mostly waiting for Skrim to come back but it doesn’t look like they will come back before I have to go for a while. I thought their re-entry into the thread today wasn’t what I was looking for.

@Skrimiche

also, tbf i did say that i would likely stay on pandora tol EoD, so idt me being present for EoD would’ve made much of a difference anyways

For example this statement doesn’t really make sense to me. Villagers are more willing to change their mind or switch if swayed. I don’t get why they believed they would have kept their vote always if they were on at rod there unless they are a wolf trying to justify the fact that they wouldn’t have switched. I think Gar said it best that they are appearing appeasey right now.

@Litten

My major concern rn is the thread isn’t really acting like they are a wolf but all my reads are leading me to the conclusion that they are one.

@Litten

I don’t really believe Ori’s reads. They feel stuck in the past. It’s like their reads haven’t developed at all from day one, which makes me think they are a wolf.

@Litten

My main problem with Ori being a wolf is I feel like they would have, you know, probably done something slightly different here if Skrim was their teammate, but that’s just going too much into layers and it’s probably realistically correct to just go “alright I have these group of people clear that means you are probably just a wolf”

@Litten

That being said, if Skrim is mafia I’m a big fan of sheeping dead mafia’s reads, they tend to be more informed than us on the mafia so maybe they went 2/2 and it’s just Ori and Kel

@Litten

VOTE: Ori yeah sure let’s see what happens

@Litten

God I hate this post

@Litten

VOTE: Ski

@Litten

@Litten

I don’t need your help in flipping wolves it’s fine

@Zwischenzug

Skrimiche (4): Aleph, spookycat27, Litten, Leafia

I lied I apparently do

@Litten

VOTE: Ori

@Litten

I think one of Ori/Kel has a wolf in it. I don’t think both can be wolves, unless Ori is just a big fan of losing as mafia/

@Litten

Thats part of also the reason I’m suspecting Ori, Skim changed from voting Ori to Brad when Ori became a viable wagon, which would seem like the logical move to do if Ori was your partner when your, uh, in a terrible spot, you don’t want to execute a partner
who can salvage their slot

@Oricorio

Yeah, I think you’re biased, no one else was entertaining a vote on me. It’d’ve been very easy for Skrimiche to realize that no one else was going to follow him

@Litten

It could have easily happened, all it takes was for one additional person to do it. I’m not saying that it condemns you but if you are mafia voting your mafia partner in such a Voltaire thread environment is suboptimal

@Oricorio

I think you’re projecting your read on me onto everyone else. If someone else (who showed up anyway) was interested in my wagon it would have happened, but eh

@Litten

Even if you don’t feel like you did anything, your very exisitance made it easier to find Skrim. Skrim was very sneaky in the fact that, and I never said this outloud, but they did a lot of tiny stuff that I found scantily townie, not knowing the anti claim, focusing on legacy stuff at eod, bothering to iso for some fucking apparent reason, and other stuff in the earlier part of the iso that I don’t remember, and part of the reason we caught Skrim was the fact that a bunch of other people were also townier than them and they made a bunch of mistakes that don’t seem like much but do amount to a lot when added together.

@Litten

meanwhile I spent a non zero amount of time analyzing the flavor to see if it was flipping mafia before it flipped

@Litten

I don’t think Skrimm would have entered this game thinking they would last the entire game. If you look at their posts, they stated they recently lost both scum games and town games to spooky - so I would expect them to want the wolf team to distance with Skrim early on. This sort of aligns up with Garfooled behavior and explains why Garfooled read confidence on Skrimm didn’t match their explanations.

Garfooled also stated they would want to sheep me for my recent posts. My most recent posts at that point were talking about how Skrim could be a villager in the current thread space. Skrim sheeped my recent posts about Pandora too when I was wrong.

@Litten

Oh yeah @spookycat27 i just want to say, I know it’s sort of old from the previous day but I don’t know if I made it clear. I do respect you as a player. I remember in the game I referred to yesterday tutuu thought I didn’t respect their reads either, but granted I was overly harsh at the fact that they had a seven town list. I wouldn’t have been asking for your thoughts on my Kel case or asking you for thoughts on Skrim if I didn’t respect it.

@Litten

Honestly I still think Kel/Ori holds at least one mafia, I haven’t seen anything to change my opinion on this. I do not think Spooky does what they did to Skrim if they are mafia together, like it’s possible, it’s just not plausible. I’m protecting Spooky tonight. I don’t think it’s worth exploring the paranoia that they are wolf with Skrim, even in like f5.

@Litten

So @Zone_Q11 i have this laser pointer

@Litten

Points laser pointer at Ori

@spookycat27

Litten do you think kels is a wolf

@Litten

You know spooky, there was a game where I was town in f3. It was a 48 hour day. Anyway, it had clouds Baudi and me, a very strong players f3, do you know what we did?

@Litten

I voted Clouds with 1 minute left on the clock and we won the game. Baudi voted with ten seconds left clouds

@Litten

The wolf was going to vote me, but I kept stalling said I would vote first, also I hate making decisions

@Litten

@Litten

My main problem with Ori being a wolf is I feel like they would have, you know, probably done something slightly different here if Skrim was their teammate, but that’s just going too much into layers and it’s probably realistically correct to just go “alright I have these group of people clear that means you are probably just a wolf”

I town read zone chomps spooky catbae. BradLand I’m town reading but I’ll admit it could be a skill issue (same with other things). Nothing has changed for me. I think we just kill Ori. As soon as Skrim flipped I said Ori Ori Ori multiple times

[Litten]

Chomp you are absolutely right. I am mafia who decided I would hard bus all my teammates day two. I heard their cries. They were like litten no, you could just vote town all game and push town and deny town a single wolf flip, there’s nothing you can do, but I ignored their pleas. I decided that I would disrespect all their efforts this game by trying my best to bury them so I could personally fool all of you, instead of as a team working together to get us all to the finish line. You caught me chomps. Well done