Knight-Errant - A Normal Game Mafia Wins!

[Millium]

@Kiiruma

Alright it’s time to do this.
I’m finally fucking good and I’m ready to prove I’m (somewhat) good at proving myself.

I could see this as being performative?

@Kiiruma

Eh, I was pretty meh in Stellaris so I’m trying to prove I can be good.

useless filler

@Kiiruma

Oh my gosh! Kiiruma feels performative! Haven’t heard that before lol

this reaction feels fine? probably expect more of a more forced reaction to early pressure on them, to give off that townie vibe

@Kiiruma

Sure buddy, you keep thinking that.

VOTE: Crescent

empty vote is townie in a bubble for kiiruma

@Kiiruma

I think Rhea is town or 3P.
I don’t think Rhea is groupscum who’s went for such a big post and an attention grab especially since it can backfire (and it did)

I liked their early read on Hazard, but this could easily read as, “wall post = townie”, and if they took 2 seconds to go through Rhea’s other game, that would know they at least start if with walls as a wolf. I also dont agree that its, “attention grabby”

@Kiiruma

I know right? It’s been a while since I’ve been able to roll town and then do good things

this post is okay, id probably argue its closer to nai though

@Kiiruma

I would agree but the 3P looking like they’re trying to solve provides a level of security for town agreeing with them living long term.

that’s not really how this works, if town likes them, they still have just as high a chance of dying

@Kiiruma

Nah. Wolf doing a big post like that risks a ton of backreading and the associations could cost a team if it’s not carefully planned out.

it was one wall to be fair? i think Kiiruma is overstating how bad this is

@Kiiruma

When it comes to Sultan, it feels like they’re a bit more solvey last game. Last game Sultan was the 3P, akin to the 3P this time and it doesn’t feel like Sultan’s trying to push any agenda, instead trying to read and see others’ thoughts too.

idk, I fail to see how we were looking at the same iso here, or how Kiiruma came to the conclusion that Sultan was solvey in their previous game?

@Kiiruma

How about we have someone unvote for now even? Like we 100% are nuking Achro today anyway.
We don’t need to rush it or keep it teetering on the edge

townie in a bubble?

@Kiiruma

I feel like Crescent’s reads are very weak and fake. If you look at the first sort of ‘analytical’ post you can see, it is here and doesn’t really give much guidance. With several posts after this just being the same thing which overall seems like forced content. Speaking over several posts of “How Rhea is just Crescent from the past”.

meh I feel Crescent had good thoughts, was asking good questions, and making good points, and had a trajectory of multiple people. Im not even sure what they mean be “guidance”

@Kiiruma

Hm… I mean, fine, I can buy Bionic is on the level for now.
Achro wolf maybe with Derps too?

VOTE: SirDerpsAlot

I wanna kill Achro today but Achro’s already highly a wagon anyway so I can do another one

quick pivot to Achro after the cop claim, but there seems a bit of hestitancy there, so its weird how eager they are to kill achro here over it. I dont the derps/achro w/w read based off their experience last game

mech solving for a ton of posts, which its not really even good mech solving, because they are just writing out the possible setups which dont help us in the slightest

@Kiiruma

I’d agree with this.
If all players in this are pure then it’s weird

this is fine

@Kiiruma

In order for me to be setting Derps up for a push I’d have to have reason to believe that Achro would be copped prior to knowing about the check by Bionic. My comment on “Achro wolf with Derps?” here was due to someone else saying they thought that they could be paired due to how Achro treats wolf partners sometimes and I have observed similar things in previous games.

lol

@Kiiruma

The fact that Derps died… voting for Millium.
And Derps was a lot more of an easy mis-exe than Millium…
I agree with your reasoning. But I won’t be rushing into it

I’ve basically said my peace on this post already

stuff around Brak’s claim is fine, but nothing really telling.

@Kiiruma

s Arctic just a wolf this game? Knowing you only need 1 mis-exe and having me in PoE ia a very safe way to play things, plus Arctic can usually find me if we’re both town.

the first sentence pings me, since I find wolves are more likely to post this kind of generic question to the thread, and honestly their is almost nothing Arctic can do with the last sentence of this

@Kiiruma

So the more likely kill reason would be to silence the slot.
And the one under pressure at the time was Milli.

its still hard to believe that people actually went ahead with using reasoning like this knowing full well that wolves need to start killing PRs, i mean conf bias given i know i am town, and its possible wolves thought derps was a PR. Also there was never any real pressure on me, all the people voting me had no leg to stand on

dont really think the iso from the perspective of this game is townie, meta wise its pretty drastic coming from their last game. nothing too strong here that makes me want to call them a definite wolf. I will note their votes has become non existent, which is a thing that will always ping me.

[Brakuren]

lol 2 walls

[Millium]

@Brakuren

This comment is pretty wolfy in retrospective in accordance the previous comment, as it doesn’t really make sense why t!Millium would say “Achro feels the same as he does as villager this game” and then say “Oh I actually haven’t played a recent town game with him”.

i refuse to believe I said achro feels the same as he does as a villager

@Millium

tbf I dont actually have a recent town game from him, so idk what I even love lol. What feels more genuine though?

rereading this, im not even sure what my first have is supposed to be saying

@Brakuren

I honestly don’t like Kiiruma’s interactions with Millium here? I feels like w/w or w/t because it feels like one is deliberately interacting with the other purely for the sake of it.

tbf my read of them was based on experience i just had with them when they were a wolf, where they basically had 0 thoughts, and I certainly dont think he uses the thought not “group scum”, in any read he is trying to manufacture as a wolf, his brain isn’t that deep

@Brakuren

This is a very wolfy comment, so much so, that I litterally made fun of it at the time:

it really isn’t for me, but that’s for post game

@Brakuren

Don’t like this post. They are trying to place doubt on
SirDerpsAlot’s Read on Kiiruma

this isn’t even relevant to the game, we were digging at each other over last game

@Brakuren

w! Millium & w! Sultan Reality:

ya I wouldn’t read into any of that
/shrug

@Brakuren

Crescent,

adding Crescent here is pretty hilarious given they had a train of 1 at the time, but like its also not hard to call out most voting in a bubble as trying to save someone, sheeping isnt really wolfy for me, and there are thoughts trickled around there, but I also didn’t want someone to be lynched cause it was a bad wagon

its 2am im going to sleep

[Millium]

I’m likely to place a vote in the morning after I wake up

[Brakuren]

Millium Day 2

@Millium

I’m not surprised one bit by Someone being voted for or this exact outcome. This is gunna be cyber all over again, which probably means we should vote chris. I think that flip made this game significantly harder for no reason and it’s beyond frustrating, but w/e, no use crying over spilled milk

I actually like this comment +town. This was before Bionic revealed they had a redcheck on Achromatic.

@Millium

Someone died in the exact same way last game, but fair enough, I disagree on Bionic, and Derps was really townie at EoD so

This logic follows from day 1 +town

@Millium

do u have a town and wolf game I could perhaps read?

Never responded to this but:

Town: I’m Respighi
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/43612-Classical-Music-Semi-Anonymous-Mish-Mash

Mafia: I’m Aether & Lumine (Hydra with Evakyoo)
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/32968-Hydra-Event-2021-Game-1-Culinary-Delights

@Millium

so you think Bio is lying then? because ur previous vote was on them

This comment is actually +Wolf on Marluna.

@Millium

TMI is like a joke read at this point, I swear to god lmao

With the context of this comment that was posted later on:

@Millium

Hedging is my town meta, TMI is my weakness as a wolf, I don’t even particularly see a problem with being all over the place

In terms of you, I keep coming back to I think ur pushes feel forced, and the lack of strong reasons for town leaning people bother me, but then i think we’ll not many wolves can play this aggressively meh? But I still don’t think u are townie

I also think u are forcing a lot of ur so thoughts on mech, and I don’t believe a sane player thinks wolves no killed here, unless I are a wolf and no they did they for some reason, which only really works if a roleblocked is in play, but that still seems like a stretch

This comment is very wolfy as they are deliberately saying that their biggest flaw as wolf is a “joke way to read someone” + VERY WOLFY

@Millium

i think Brak like picks a player, and just fights with them till they get bored, and calls its a day, its extremely frustrating to work around, which is funny because I think both them and leafia can have some pretty level-0 reason for pushing people that tend to be wrong, no offense to leafia of course

Thank you for describing my early game playstyle +Town.

@Millium

I’m not too sure, Brak at this point really does the feel like a town that vomits out level-0 scum reads, or 3p, because it almost feels like they dont care at all who they push

+Wolf for trying to discredit reads

@Millium

I kinda just think Kiiruma is obvious town after bearing witness to last game

So now Millium is hard defending Kiiruma as well. I mean I guess this makes sense as they were pretty actively defending Kiiruma day 1.

@Millium

did u actually read Sultan’s treatment of Chris though? also I really wouldn’t attempt to find spew on Achro’s end unless u’ve had a lot of experience with Chris. I think Sultan not knowing that achro was outted, can possibly be faked, but like in combination of thinking they are sk, seems pretty uninformed. Them thinking this game is the B column also somewhat makes them town, and not a PR.

I like this comment, I don’t like what comes after tho:

@Millium

honestly thinking about this, its pretty odd that Bracken also claimed SK have a GF, when it could be one of the roles if im not mistaken

Pretty cheap way to try to say that I “Scumslipped tbh” at that point in time it felt like wolves were just piling on me, so I woudln’t be surprised if one of the people that were pushing this idea flip wolf.

@Millium

i miss Crescent :(

Probably not w/w with Crescent. I doubt mafia partners say this about each other in thread.

@Millium

tbh, i saw the email for ur replacement, and my immediate head thought was, “Arctic probably not gunna even get to play”

Crescent doesn’t get actively nightkilled like you, talking to you is so pointless because u live like one day phase every game if u are town, if i get attached ill have separation issues

I like this comment alot +town. Also makes me more so believe in a t/w or t/t world between Millium and Arctic.

@Millium

I feel like u as an SK, probably wouldn’t try to go immediately on achro here?

Eh I feel like Artic Sk here doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. As an SK! Arctic would just kill Millium for this comment.

@Millium

I still think derps can easily be a wolf with achro, wolf!achro loves voting his partners day 1 than pivoting to town reads on them which I’m assuming his early thoughts this day before being outted where trying to call derps town, maybe I’m wrong though since town siding probably makes more sense if ur referring to a wolf read.

Don’t like this hedging on derps slot after having him as a town read for his EoD d1. There is a potential that their read on Derps EoD d1 is just sheeped from me as it was posted after I already made a comment about it.

@Millium

Ya, if achro was still like fighting I could argue against this but given they outted themselves, it’s basically just a waiting game at this point

Even before the claim they wereny particularly townie, which was my problem with the slot to begin with given it felt like they were playing exactly like last game.

I suspect some wolves or at least one wolf positioned them self well by voting then yesterday, and it’s highly likely a wolf is currently on achro right now

Anyways I’ll be on and off for a while

Vote count for Achro:

Achromatic (7): Bionic, ElizaThePsycho, Hazardwaste, Leafia, otterpopd, SultanOfSlam, SirDerpsAlot

A W! Millium here probably implicates Leafia/Eliza/Sultan

Overally day 2: Scum Lean

[Brakuren]

I’ll respond to this when I get to day 4 btw

[Brakuren]

Honestly now that I am looking back Sultan & Millium seems like a pretty good possiblity.

I have had Sultan in town reads for a while but this might make me have to re-evaluate (idk why i’m getting so much dejavu writing this)

@Rhea @Arctic @Leafia

What do you think of a possible w/w Millium/Sultan world?

[Brakuren]

Anyways I am going to sleep now. Will finish writing Millium ISO tommorow.

I’m gonna look into Eliza too as I know I promised @Rhea I would a while ago (and then never delivered). Eliza is the biggest ? for me this game as I genuinely have had no read on them since d1.

I don’t like Marluna here, however their vote on me today is almost TWTBW, so I’m going to try to look at them again tommorow.

IK i have in my notes that Millium had a pretty towny d3, so when I finish this they might be a null (though I actually don’t like their responses to my recent ISO).

Marluna/Millium/Eliza/Kiiruma is my PoE atm.

[Brakuren]

@Brakuren

Kiiruma

Though this is less so then the others

[Arctic]

@Brakuren

What do you think of a possible w/w Millium/Sultan world?

um
i think that would be pretty silly but i don’t think it’s impossible, i just don’t really think wisp is mafia

[Leafia]

Giggles It is pretty funny admittedly. Can’t sleep as well.

@Brakuren

Yeah masons should vote first if we are planning on voting someone.

Okay. UNVOTE

@Millium

I actually think wolves are more likely to stick to their guns because changing trajectory isn’t the easiest thing for wolves as the player list twindles

I actuly agree with Millium here.

@Brakuren

How tf has Eliza posted more in the Signups thread then the actual game

She’s Eliza. What did you expect?

@Brakuren

@Millium

you have 0 experience with me

This is a very wolfy comment, so much so, that I litterally made fun of it at the time:

How is this comment wolfy?

@Millium

that’s not really how this works, if town likes them, they still have just as high a chance of dying

Not actually true.

@Millium

mech solving for a ton of posts, which its not really even good mech solving, because they are just writing out the possible setups which dont help us in the slightest

Not entirely true since it gave us an idea of what was possible.

@Brakuren

What do you think of a possible w/w Millium/Sultan world?

Certainly not impossible. I’m thinking it might also be Millium/Marluna too. I hate how eager Marluna was to vote for you after your mason claim.

The way Millium is treating Kiiruma though feels like the way a wolf treats a villager they want to have the possibility of misexeing to me though.

@Brakuren

Anyways I am going to sleep now. Will finish writing Millium ISO tommorow.

Good night.

[Leafia]

Good night to everyone else too.

[SultanOfSlam]

You can take this for what its worth but Achro did this same exact play on someone to get them mis axed after he died in a game we were scum together in MU

[Eddie]

Not Voting (10): ElizaThePsycho, otterpopd, Kiiruma, Arctic, Rhea, Leafia, SultanOfSlam, Brakuren, Millium, Marluna

[Millium]

@Brakuren

Eh I feel like Artic Sk here doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. As an SK! Arctic would just kill Millium for this comment.

Why would SK!arctic kill me for a comment not calling them sk?

[Millium]

@Leafia

The way Millium is treating Kiiruma though feels like the way a wolf treats a villager they want to have the possibility of misexeing to me though.

Well to be fair kiiruma as a player doesn’t tend to have the towniest isos as a whole, I don’t think there is anything that screams townie unless I back it up with data from their other games, the biggest difference between this game and last game is how they handle their votes, in cyber they felt more forced and this game I feel like they are just fine throwing votes, there progression early has a way better thoughts process than I ever saw in cyber

[Millium]

@Leafia

Not actually true.

From the perspective of Mafia killing them, yes it does

[Millium]

@Brakuren

I don’t like Marluna here, however their vote on me today is almost TWTBW, so I’m going to try to look at them again tommorow.

I don’t really believe in twtbaw even if I use it sometimes, I think if u think someone made a wolf post then u should just take it is

[SultanOfSlam]

My adhd is hella.bad ive tried to read these walls like 5 times now and keep getting distracted and lost.

[SultanOfSlam]

I know this is not the case but a me mill and Achro acum team would be a pretty freaking awesome team.

Also alot of these intersections could be a distancing from achro but idk if i wanna rabnit hole this to to much beacuse its also true statements.