Knight-Errant - A Normal Game Mafia Wins!

[Leafia]

Not even remotely possible since you’re never town here.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

may I re-iterate;

[Millium]

man this is literally just me and leafia potshotting each other, and not being able to walk away from the thread, I need a smoke

[Millium]

i dare u

[Leafia]

Smoking isn’t healthy. Please don’t smoke. I recommend chewing gum instead. Still waiting for an apology for your rudeness too.

[Millium]

thanks for the health warning, let me ask my brain if that’s okay, and to be fair, i did good for a while, and got pulled back into it

look, its a game, games get heated, im sorry, I will never think differently about any player based on their play in a game, unless its like bad in an “attacking the player” way

[Leafia]

You’re welcome and apology accepted. I think that nicotine gum could help you quit too and you could try exercising while stressed or playing a relaxing game.

[Millium]

someone force me to take a much needed break after this game plz

[Leafia]

Please take a much needed break after this game.

[Leafia]

Let’s also agree to stop this back and forth for the rest of the day so the others can make up their own minds, also allowing the two of us to relax without needing to worry about being shaded by the other too.

[Leafia]

Now to head off so good night everyone.

[Brakuren]

you are gonna be back in an hour i bet

[Millium]

i give em 10 mins

[Brakuren]

@Kiiruma

I think Rhea is town or 3P.
I don’t think Rhea is groupscum who’s went for such a big post and an attention grab especially since it can backfire (and it did)

@Achromatic

I almost think a 3p wouldnt just go for it either tbh

@Kiiruma

I would agree but the 3P looking like they’re trying to solve provides a level of security for town agreeing with them living long term.

@Achromatic

fair

Kiiruma and Achromatic’s only Interaction

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@Kiiruma

Sure. At the time it was a relatively random vote, I mean I hate to point this out but RVS.

@Marluna

Hi
What do you think about the current wagons?

@Kiiruma

I hate them lol

@Marluna

What about Hazard’s and Leafia take on Bionic? (Both of them was a few post prior)

Marluna and Kiiruma Conversation 1

@Kiiruma

Hm… I mean, fine, I can buy Bionic is on the level for now.
Achro wolf maybe with Derps too?

VOTE: SirDerpsAlot

I wanna kill Achro today but Achro’s already highly a wagon anyway so I can do another one

@Marluna

Derp was leading wagon during almost all D1.
Do you think Achro would let that happen?

@Kiiruma

Yes, because Achro as a wolf would be happy to vote with him team and then get the wagon out of there and onto something else

Marluna and Kiiruma conversation 2

@Kiiruma

I’ve analysed the possible setups in the night.

Town has a Cop, Mafia has an Even-Night Watcher.
So: C4-UL, B4-UR, A4-UR, D2-LD, D2-LU, C2-LD, C2-LU, B2-DL, B2-RD, B2-RU, A2-RD, A2-RU.

A2-RU is Town Gunsmith, Cop. Mafia Godfather, Even-Night Watcher.
A2-RD is Town Cop, Bulletproof. Mafia Godfather, Even-Night Watcher. Missing kill due to Bulletproof town/3P?
B2-RU is Town Cop, Tracker. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Roleblocker. Missing kill due to Roleblocker Maf/3P?
B2-RD is Town Cop, Tracker. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Bulletproof. Missing kill due to Bulletproof Maf/3P?
B2-DL is Town Cop, Roleblocker. Mafia Roleblocker, Even-Night Watcher. Missing kill due to Town/3P Roleblocker and/or Mafia/3P Roleblocker?
C2-LU is Town Cop, 3-Shot Commuter. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Godfather. Missing kill due to Town/3P Commute?
C2-LD is Town Cop, Jailkeeper. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Godfather. Missing kill due to Town/3P Jailkeeper?
D2-LU is Town Tracker, Cop. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Bulletproof. Missing kill due to Mafia/3P Bulletproof?
D2-LD is Town Tracker, Cop. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Roleblocker. Missing kill due to Mafia/3P Roleblocker?
A4-UR is Town Jailkeeper, Cop. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Godfather. Missing kill due to Town/3P Jailkeeper?
B4-UR is Town Roleblocker, Cop. Mafia Roleblocker, Even-Night Watcher. Missing kill due to Town/3P Roleblocker or Mafia/3P Roleblocker?
C4-UL is Town Bulletproof, Cop. Mafia Godfather, Even-Night Watcher. Missing kill due to Town/3P Bulletproof?

I think that’s all of them lol.
I know a some of the setups are the same and have the same conclusion but at the time I was analysing them all.

Another explanation is just a cross-kill still. But if it’s not then these are the other explanations

@Marluna

You can remove the possibility with the GS cause Cop+Gunsmith is a forbidden duo in this game.

@Kiiruma

Ok fair point. Cop + Gunsmith wouldn’t be together, so that reduces the options down a bit.

Marluna and Kiiruma Convo 3

@Kiiruma

I’m a mechanical solver not a social solver.
So if I have a way to analyse mechanics you can bet I’m gonna do it lmao

@Marluna

I second Kii here.
It’s definetly playstyle.
At this point I was weirded out his lack of mechanical in the first 2 day.

@Kiiruma

What mechanics did I have to solve for.
Hi we have a setup, there’s a 3P, 4 mafia including 2 PRs and we have 13 Town including 4 PRs, 2 of which are Masons

Marluna and Kiiruma Convo 4

@Kiiruma

So we’re down to A2-RD, B2-RU, B2-RD, B2-DL, C2-LU, C2-LD, D2-LU, D2-LD, A4-UR, B4-UR, C4-UL.
11 possible setups. Since only 1 of them (A2-RU) had Cop and Gunsmith.

@Marluna

Can you pair up the identical scenarios, or you already did with before you ended with 11?

@Marluna

Right, I haven’t played open with you for a while.

You still could have given out suggestions for PRs.
But I guess with 12 possible 12 PRs, that’s a chore.

@Kiiruma

A2-RD and C4-UL is identical
B2-RU and D2-LD is identical
B2-RD and D2-LU is identical
B2-DL and B4-UR is identical
C2-LD and A4-UR is identical

6 setups left:
Town Cop, Bulletproof. Mafia Godfather, Even Night Watcher
Town Cop, Tracker. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Roleblocker
Town Cop, Tracker. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Bulletproof
Town Cop, Roleblocker. Mafia Roleblocker, Even-Night Watcher.
Town Cop, Jailkeeper. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Godfather.
Town Cop, 3-Shot Commuter. Mafia Even-Night Watcher, Godfather.

@Kiiruma

So our Remaining Town 3P should know the setup unless it’s a Town Tracker.
In which case it’s either a Roleblocker or Bulletproof Maf

@Marluna

Went through his list, and he actually hadn’t.

There is two pairs of the same set-up
(A2-RU=D2-LD, and A2-RD=D2-LU)

So we have only 9 scenarios, but the scenarios with the Tracker has twice as much chance, than any other possibilities.

@Kiiruma

Town Tracker 2/6
Town Bulletproof 1/6
Town Roleblocker 1/6
Town Jailkeeper 1/6
Town 3-Shot Commuter 1/6

Mafia Godfather 3/6
Mafia Roleblocker 2/6
Mafia Bulletproof 1/6

@Marluna

It looks like I’m bad at this…

@Kiiruma

It’s why I do mech

@Kiiruma

Though because each of the individual instances are doubled, except for the one with commuter it’s more like:

TT - 4/11
TB - 2/11
TR - 2/11
TJ - 2/11
TC - 1/11

MG - 5/11
MR - 4/11
MB - 2/11

@Marluna

Isn’t there only one way for town roleblocker to roll?

@Kiiruma

B2-DL, B4-UR

@Marluna

Omg, i’m really bad at this…
I totally missed the Even-night watcher at A4…

@Kiiruma

It takes experience.
It’s well established that I do much better when I have mech to work with.
(No do not look at the first part of Stellaris FM, look nearer the end)

Marluna and Kiiruma 5

@Kiiruma

It’s a bit of a crazy play.
They’re voting on a confirmed towny.

@Marluna

Btw, were is he confirmed?
Until the second mason comes out, we have only his word.

@Kiiruma

Unless 2 people are going to come out and say Brak is lying, then we treat Brak as if the slot is confirmed for now.

Plus honestly… if 2 people do come out to fight Brak then we get a 2f2 of wolves v town and SK is incentivised to help us lol

Marluna and Kiiruma 6

[Kiiruma]

@Leafia

No one was ccing you so I can understand why he didn’t doubt it.

Also: I hadn’t actively read the thread.
So I didn’t exactly realise Bionic was claiming Cop.
I just saw a wagon on Achro and was like “Oh?”
And then saw it growing and decided to look into why, so I was happy with Achro dying and I just had another option available too because Achro was gonna die anyway.

[Brakuren]

I have no idea how to read this

[Brakuren]

it feels like t/w with Marl but I don’t like his interaction with Achro

[Brakuren]

its 1 am i’m gonna go to bed
@Kiiruma
@ElizaThePsycho

please don’t vote before i’m done evaluating

[Millium]

The last wolf is just waiting for someone to misvote me

[Millium]

Leafia has no better option here than to kill sultan, since she isn’t going to kill me and Eliza because that’s her route to win, and sultan has leafia in their PoE and actively didn’t like them

I don’t really let leafia live here like sultan started the wagon was super townie, but I can work around that, while as someone with experience with leafia very much knew their was a high chance they just snap me

Like IDK why no one sees this, it’s frustrating