Library of Ruina FM - Day 3 - Mafia Wins

[Frostwolf103]

I think from wagons I clear Leafia in this

[Rue]

@FreezinIce

Crossing these 2 catagories you clear Sultan, Tutuu and Spirtualized for being on Achros wagon and being townread by him

I disagree strongly with the Sultan read. I don’t think his push on Achro was particularly convincing at all, and the way he pivoted out of it (and then onto and off of me) felt like agenda to me.

[FreezinIce]

Leafia has a lot of reasons to be clear, apparently mech reasons, socially towny today and posted stuff i agreed with, townread by Achro, behavior yesterday that made sense given her role and position on wagons

[Frostwolf103]

Help us look into, cross reference in your reads and see what inconsistencies we get to share

[FreezinIce]

Thats possible, he isnt really pushing anything just kind of appearing on wagons for no reason

[FreezinIce]

I like sultan for non strictly game related reasons so i might have bias there lol

[Rue]

Not tonight. I need to go to sleep, but I’ll be around earlier than I have been tomorrow, since it’s a week day, so I should be able to add more then.

[Frostwolf103]

I am micro reading on one part that Leafia is on Eggyolk wagon with me. Unaligned.

[Rue]

Right now, I would just say that I vastly prefer the Egg wagon to the Chomps one. I don’t find Tutuu’s case on Chomps compelling and I believe that Egg does fit the mold of a wolf in the current gamestate.

[Frostwolf103]

VOTE: Egg

Fine, could be both w/w

[FreezinIce]

Maj at 8 btw

[Frostwolf103]

I know, this is close enough

[Frostwolf103]

If this is indeed wolf candidate, any votes is considered throw under the bus

[Zone_Q11]

@SultanOfSlam

@Wazza

Okay I really don’t have much time as I’m out atm, I was informed I was attempted to be redirected last night and it failed, apparently as the redirection failed I’ve protected whoever I was meant to visit? I’m really confused

Wait

…wait, Sultan is on the right path.
I need to ISO Wazza for a moment.

I think I found a contradiction.

What Wazza is saying in that post is that…

1. There exists a Redirector (henceforth dubbed Redi-2).
2. Redi-2’s ability failed on Wazza.
3. If Redi-2’s redirection failed, then Wazza’s target would be protected.

@Wazza

I am not a protective, it’s part of the ability I learnt that failed on me, I did literally no action last night and was told an ability failed on me and got the entire ability text send to me

4. Wazza learned about Redi-2’s ability.
5. Wazza holstered on N1.

@Wazza

I can’t tell why I learnt the ability it doesn’t say that a target it fails on learns it and I honestly can’t understand what this ability means alignment wise since it protects which sounds good for town but because it’s a redirect that seems to have a downside it feels like it’s from a wolf?

I’m really lost thinking about it and I’ll probably talk about it more when I’m not drunk lol

6. “It doesn’t say that a target it fails on learns it” Ergo, Redi-2’s redirection ability isn’t Loud.
   So how did Wazza learn Redi-2’s ability?
   P.S., read [8].
7. “it protects which sounds good for town”
   If we look back to [3], then it is ‘whoever Wazza targeted’ that should be protected; not Wazza herself. No contradictions so far.

@Wazza

Okay why are you (tutuu) and Leafia connected because I was redirected into a player which caused me to protect them

Is this the same thing that affected you guys since I’m assuming it’s loud since I was informed of it and I am not an investigative , that is the important part at the end

8. Wazza assumed Redi-2 has a Loud modifier somewhere among Redi-2’s abilities, as to explain the question in [6].
9. I am unsure whether Wazza is saying if (1) she was informed she isn’t an Investigative by Redi-2, or (2) Wazza claimed to tutuu and others that she isn’t Investigative.

@Wazza

I wasn’t told a person or anything other than that I was targeted by the following ability that failed and told the exact ability, not a paraphrase just told the entire ability

@Wazza

I’m unsure if it’s town or wolf, as a town player you can keep redirecting the same player to protect someone of your choosing as well since it’ll fail if used consecutively and with how roles seem to be in this game I want to say it was a town since it seems powerful and something you can use in multiple ways which feels pretty creative, but it’s also a redirect so it’s just naturally a wolf ability so shrug

I don’t really care about the details but there’s far too many redirects and I’m less inclined to look towards tutuu as they had no reason to claim a redirect or out their role

10. “protect someone of your choosing” implies Redi-2 gets to protect Redi-2’s target; not Wazza’s target. If such is the case, then this contradicts [3].
11. First mention of Redi-2 failing if they consecutively targeted the same player.

@Wazza

This is a lot especially considering I was attempted to be redirected that failed, unless there’s some bullshit thing that causes N1 actions to just go all over the place I’m not buying that there is this many, especially since my redirect really sounds like single target

@Wazza

Just so we’re completely on the same page about what I got, I literally just received feedback saying this ability failed on you! And it told me the entire ability, the ability that apparently failed on me was a redirect that has multiple clauses on how it can fail, and in the event it fails, the player the attempted redirect goes towards gets protected

12. “in the event it fails, the player the attempted redirect goes towards gets protected”
    …pardon my poor English, but if I read this correctly, then it means that Redi-2 would protect you and not your target, contradicting [3].

@Wazza

@Zone_Q11

Question to Wazza: Can you tell everyone what the clauses are?
It is highly unlikely that a redirect comes from a Town anyway, so it should be fine for us to know.

Just the ones you’d expect, fails if your target took no action (myself) or if you visited them the previous night

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Okay, so… I learned more about what happened to Wazza, and I did find a contradiction: Who would Redi-2 protect if they failed their ability? Wazza or Wazza’s target?

–also, I finally understood that “how Wazza learned Redi-2’s ability” is still a mystery.

[Frostwolf103]

It feels incoherent on role balance, we got action copying, redirector and someone that requires to be redirected?

[Frostwolf103]

Isnt that tied with Ace?

[FreezinIce]

There is nothing in the game that we know now that suggests wolves get new key pages when we burn books. The only thing that points to the is Ruina metaknowledge but thats kind of a stretch

What made you believe this is the case?

[FreezinIce]

Leafia reads like a prescript victim with the constant giggling

NAI but just something i noticed

[FreezinIce]

Oh Zone found that snippet that Egg posted too re:Burning books for key pages

[FreezinIce]

Catching up sucks why did i do this to myself