Library of Ruina FM - Night 1 (16/17)

[tutuu]

That’s probably a good tactic to get me to fold if I’m a wolf. I give up as wolf too quickly. I will towncore you for this.

[tutuu]

If gummy is town it was just a joke. If gummy is mafia it could be just a joke, or, there could have also been the desire for Freezin to not townread Chomps.

[tutuu]

I can’t townread Freezin any higher since I believe he’s currently at the top. But I wanted to. In that one wolf game of his that I saw, he avoided solving for a long time and just shitposted for a while, which is different to here.

[snow]

Why are you so aware of this?

[FreezinIce]

Never stop being confidently wrong Google AI

[FreezinIce]

As the night marches on, I think it would be prudent to consolidate my disparate reads into something tangibly useful, namely a list of people I’d be ok with voting D1

ACE I want to see more from, she is probably at the top of this list and the closest to escaping it. I think if she doesn’t ghost the rest of the phase she can probably leave

Spiritualized I kind of expected more from as well considering it’s a hydra and most of their content is front loaded and not really weighty if that makes sense, id expect a more even spread

Jerek has a weird vibe. He seems kind of hard for me to pin down personality wise. I’m not really sure what his tone is, at times its confrontational, at times deferential. Sometimes he plays the confused slash inquisitive asker of questions, other times he seems to be trying to hang back and be casual. Probably imo the slot most in need of pressure

Rue is kind of doing her own thing, there’s a few reads here and there to be sure but the naked vote into the handwaving around Achro has me intrigued that she felt the need to do that to introduce her first assumed scumread. I’d like her to show her work there by eod if possible.

Eggyolk is kind heavy on the mech speculation early (kind of rich coming from me but w.e) and hasn’t had anything on the back half in terms of solving. If that doesn’t change by the time I wake up I would probably be ok with a vote here

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I guess this game I’m cosplaying as someone who actually makes reads and holds people to a standard d1 but it’s just been that kind of game so far I guess. Nothing wrong with that imo

[FreezinIce]

Building into that

VOTE: Jerek

[The_Head]

tutuu (2): ACE, snow
iamagummybear (2): tutuu, SultanOfSlam
Spiritualized (2): Leafia, Chomps
SultanOfSlam (1): Jarek
ACE (1): Zone_Q11
Rue (1): Achromatic
Achromatic (1): Rue
Jerek (1): FreezinIce

Not Voting (6): Frostwolf103, Wazza, Pandora, EggYolk, Spiritualized, iamagummybear

[FreezinIce]

Alright, I definitely probably won’t sleep through eod. I hope. It’s 11am and I get off work at 3am, I’ll set as many alarms as I can and try to give myself at least an hour to a half hour

Good night peeps

[Zone_Q11]

[Record. 430+ new posts as of moment of writing.]

“New day, new me.” To me, that quote holds more power than most other people.

I haven’t truly forgotten everything from yesterday, because I clearly remember “ACE did something to make me angry”. However, I don’t remember what exactly, and I don’t plan to backread to increase my blood-pressure again, so let’s start the my day with a (somewhat) clean slate, starting from P#193.

@Wazza

@The_Head

BOOKS OF THE DAY

This is what is getting me at the moment

Tomorrow I’m assuming we’re going to have new books to burn, so honestly the idea of not burning the library book honestly stings, but also knowing we might not be able to get more info from wolf roles also is the same

it’s like decision paralysis where I don’t really want to make a decision because the only thing I can gather so far is that we’ll never know we made the right choice until we can see hindsight

I never played the game, so I don’t know if burning down the entire library is a thing or not, but from a setup designer’s POV what you are saying makes sense. (About books being restocked.)

The thing about this “burning the books” gimmick is… I have read some of your (i.e., you all) posts while I was supposed to be asleep, and I remember… Freezin? ‘Someone with knowledge regarding the game’ has said that burning the books would give powers to the enemies in-game, so I think that the same gimmick holds true for this game as well. That is, the more books we burn to learn about the Mafia, the more powers they gain or unlock in return.

Because of that, I feel like -for Today- choosing to burn ‘the only book that is not Unstable’ is the safest option. Having that said, I am of the opinion that no books should be burned at all. Why? Because I am a coward when it comes to mech punishments that are kept hidden to the public.

@Leafia

It’s complicated to explain without giving too much away.

Cool. Do not explain more about your role.

Anti-Claim Mechanic paranoia aside, it is generally a bad idea to give information to the Mafia. (One of the reasons why I didn’t specify much about my role, aside from the fact that I really, really don’t like it.)

@Jarek

I was actually thinking it wouldn’t be a bad idea assuming all mafia get are flavour claims as is typical for any game I have ever played they won’t really have abiltiies they can use to be towny

I mean sure there’s probably anti-claim but if we all seriously fullclaimed the mafia would have to do the same too surely

@FreezinIce

Wolves won’t fullclaim flavor because they are Librarians and it would out them

They’d have to make up a claim and it would require someone on the wolf team to be knowledgeable about LOR to make up convincing fake claims for their team

@EggYolk

I actually agree. There’s definitely some sort of anti-claim, but I think having people at least commit a bit early into a claim with the flavours provided is good. (Secret Agenda: I have already done this mwahahaha)

I personally wouldn’t put it above the Hosts to be generous enough to aid the Mafia in making fake claims, or straight up giving those to them at the start of the game. (I could’ve sworn they did this for the Mafia team in Project Moon Upick…)

Basically, I don’t think that mass-claiming flavor will work out well. The Hosts are not inexperienced, so surely they have indirectly discouraged people from claiming flavors as well by letting the Mafia activate some power from the anti-claim mechanic when Town claim their flavor.

[Source: Zone’s own experience as a host. Reliability: Unreliable; Zone is not the host of this game, so he simply makes assumptions.]

[Frostwolf103]

The enemy within.

[Frostwolf103]

@FreezinIce

There’s stuff here I technically read but it was not remembered

there’s a thing called ISO

[Zone_Q11]

@Wazza

my current thought process is that I’m completely unsure tbh

One of the books is definitely a trap, because from what I can gather they all seem to be positives with no negatives

What I think the most here is that the library book at the moment is all positives for wolves and it’s meant to read as thought it’ll be beneficial for us, when in reality it’s going to give game info to the wolves while burning the other books will give us info that wolves already know

I disagree with the idea that burning a specific book is a trap, and the idea that burning an Unstable Book is less harmful than the only stable Book. I am of the opinion that the Unstable Books are all trapped. “We learn information while they gain power” kind of shtick.

IMO burning the only stable Book has the least harmful consequence. Because if we are to go with your WCS assumption where “burning stable Book → give Mafia info”, then Town’s losses would be information (more specifically: “the Mafia gains more information that Town doesn’t know”), whereas if we go by my WCS assumption, then “burning Unstable Book → give Town info, but give Mafia power”.

@tutuu

I think focusing on social reads and playing mafia will increase town’s chances to win. That isn’t to say that you should disregard the mech, especially since this is a mech-heavy game, but if the focus is more on reads and less on unknown mechanics town will have a higher expected winrate, from experience.

@tutuu

I’m asking people to play mafia and focus on social reads.

While I do love the idea of “abandon mech; return to mountainous”, the execution is never feasible. Why? Because of Chekhov’s Gun: If there’s a gun presented in a story, then it will be fired. Frostwolf did well in Deck of Cards for not interacting with the game mechanic for the first night, but eventually even he utilized them as well.

That isn’t to say that playing socially is impossible, but uh… Let’s just say that we are being distracted for the time being. (Plus, if mech didn’t exist in this game, then my ISO would’ve probably shrunk by around 90% by now. I genuinely don’t know what to do without them.)

Like… I know you have made (or ‘will make’, from P#239’s POV) your flashy reads-list, but uh… I don’t think I will be able to do that just yet. I can make GTH reads if that makes things easier for you, but I am not socially adept enough to make a read that will carry on my present will throughout the entire game. (I say this, because I don’t entertain the idea of re-evaluating at day phase.) (There’s also grudges, but those are not reads; they are negative emotions unable to be removed or changed at will.)

@Jarek

My thought process is as follows:

Dying hides my flip at least partially and if I die without people knowing what my role does then why bother even having a role in the first place

Such is the gimmick of this game. Hence why I assumed “dead interaction” refers to “the living learning about the dead, whose abilities were left unknown”.

[Frostwolf103]

@Zone_Q11

Frostwolf did well in Deck of Cards for not interacting with the game mechanic for the first night, but eventually even he utilized them as well.

I am waiting for good moment to draw the cards, although by the time I draw the cards, we’re on the way to execute last wolf.

[Frostwolf103]

Without saying it’s OMGUS? Ballsy.

[ACE]

@FreezinIce

Wolves won’t fullclaim flavor because they are Librarians and it would out them

They’d have to make up a claim and it would require someone on the wolf team to be knowledgeable about LOR to make up convincing fake claims for their team

goddamnit, i wish i was awake for this.

I could have instantly posted my identity, and it would be a 50/50 on if the Wolf Team had enough time after this post was made to fabricate. Now there’s de​e​e​e​efinitely been too much time since this post.

Well this isn’t worth much but:

My identity has something to do with canes???

@tutuu

I think focusing on social reads and playing mafia will increase town’s chances to win. That isn’t to say that you should disregard the mech, especially since this is a mech-heavy game, but if the focus is more on reads and less on unknown mechanics town will have a higher expected winrate, from experience.

seconding

@Wazza

this post is dreadful what the fuck

Well You’re rising on my shitlist…

@Wazza

your post is literally “we shouldn’t discuss the important mech vote because instead we should focus on reads” when in reality it should be the other way around so we can focus on reads when it gets closer to EOD so we can

(bold added by me)

that isn’t what tutuu said.

@tutuu

I think focusing on social reads and playing mafia will increase town’s chances to win. That isn’t to say that you should disregard the mech,

Rising on shitlist, Wazza.

@Frostwolf103

All right fine, have my pity townlean

Now we all know that pityleans are bad, so this post is ultimately a bit pointless but…

Pityleans bad. I’m not going to stop you, but at least try to not forget where your lean comes from (so you can hopefully discard it later in the game).

@Frostwolf103

What ever do you mean by that? You only pinged names?

Uh. Thre’s a??? Line underneath the one with all the pings??? Where I ask a question??? About Zone???

@FreezinIce

I’m not going to like spoil Lob Corp and Ruina here

small note, the game’s OP said it will contain full (or maybe it was major) spoilers for Ruina, so everyone who signed up for this game has given the green light to such spoilers as a fact of signing up.

@SultanOfSlam

Skimming is hard

Just full read the whole thread like me if skimming is so tricky!

@Achromatic

I have come to make good plays and die night 1, let’s have fun together while I last friends.

HELL YEAH BROTHER!!!

@FreezinIce

Do you have a suicidal role too?

Seems to be a lot of those this game

No it’s like, a joke about how early he dies in most games.

@Achromatic

mass claiming in closed setups is never a good idea because it gives mafia needless information and town kind of sucks at figuring mechanics out anyway.

​Although it’s mostly a moot point now, what do you think of Freez’s idea of a mass claim to potentially smoke out a wolf team that might not have any members who are familiar enough with the lore to fake things convincingly?

Doesn’t really work now, but I wanna pick your brain about the theory of it.

@FreezinIce

Scumlean because I said so
ACE

You wound me!

@FreezinIce

ACE I want to see more from, she is probably at the top of this list and the closest to escaping it. I think if she doesn’t ghost the rest of the phase she can probably leave

Well I’m here now so…

So I probably need to wait 8 hours for you to wake up. Jeez…

@FreezinIce

Spiritualized I kind of expected more from as well considering it’s a hydra and most of their content is front loaded and not really weighty if that makes sense, id expect a more even spread

Seconded but weaker. I don’t know them too well, so I’m not confident in it, but they feel… y’know. Low levels of suspicion.

@Zone_Q11

I haven’t truly forgotten everything from yesterday, because I clearly remember “ACE did something to make me angry”. However, I don’t remember what exactly, and I don’t plan to backread to increase my blood-pressure again, so let’s start the my day with a (somewhat) clean slate, starting from P#193.

According to you yesterday it was

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Does that sound like you, to the you of now? (Please answer.)

@Zone_Q11

Basically, I don’t think that mass-claiming flavor will work out well. The Hosts are not inexperienced, so surely they have indirectly discouraged people from claiming flavors as well by letting the Mafia activate some power from the anti-claim mechanic when Town claim their flavor.

Thanks for this analysis.

[ACE]

17 quote blocks…

I’m so good sometimes…

And see? I did read the thread!

[Frostwolf103]

@ACE

Uh. Thre’s a??? Line underneath the one with all the pings??? Where I ask a question??? About Zone???

I am having hard time connecting the dots you laid down for me, what’s about this usual suspects without context.

[Frostwolf103]

@ACE

The usual suspects, @Leafia, @Wazza, @snow, @FreezinIce, @Achromatic, @Chomps, @pandora

Zone’s not in this pinged name, you know.

[Frostwolf103]

Were you mass pinging about Zone, or was that your PoE?