This post is off-topic.
Okay, that was a fun tangent, but it is time to get back on-topic.
6/15
Ok doing a quick catchup post and then will be available to talk to whoeverās around for another 30 minutes or so.
Iām waiting for that catch-up post.
As one of my primary suspects Iām looking forwards to seeing you do work so I can really dig into your thought processes and see if I can see those neurons firing.
Quick shoutout to this forum. It took me a moment to get used to it, especially on my phone, but catching up now on a computer itās so smooth to track everything. It was made for mafia and it shows. I feel compelled to use the fancy features!
I think we should aim for somewhere in the range of 36-48 hours for D1. The claim has been made that less organization leads to town losing in this setup, I am going to need to see some evidence of that because this much at least seems good to organize. Iām most available around this time in the evening for a self-mandated end of day, so I quite like the 36 hour idea, but I imagine weāre gonna just hit hammer sometime and we shouldnāt sweat it too much as long as weāre reaching it as a result of discussion. Thereās also a meta of putting somebody right up against hammer to generate discussion, flirting with doing that right now.
Running commentary: Juliette, Atlas, Era
Juliette- comes in hyped, returns in #103 to townread Atlas in a way that feels well thought out and be indecisive on Era. But that post is a lot of commenting on the thread without diving into new ideas. Naked votes Estelle to start the wagon, which is a good look IMO- I think wolves would be hesitant to do that without a windup. I like their questioning of Atlasā plan in #107), that feels like a player looking to contribute to thread health. Then questioning of Drekākar in #111, also good. A lot of vibing with Era and interacting with folks/pushing them to explain reasoning, which can be where scum hide but the way theyāre doing it feels >rand town.
Atlas- Very eloquent player, not the type of text Iām used to seeing but itās growing on me. Very involved in many disparate conversations to try to organize and guide players. I think their vote on Era (#57) is fairly weak, as dogging for a āreactive approachā is kind of nonsensical to me when there have been no posts of substance made. Townreads Drekākar at (#85). Post #90 is a good example of how their wording is throwing me off, why didnāt they just say they donāt want to talk about mech rather than all of that lol? Kind of funny how theyāre lecturing Juliette about excitement lol, but I am interested in why they believed Era started badly but improved over time (#116), seeing as I donāt read their progression that way at all. I think theyāre right at #128 that theyāre the only one who knows the lore of the game :P. They go after Estelle at #143 in a way that feels natural. Itās a small thing, but I like that they lay down a big block of text with receipts, take a beat, then immediately follow up with clarification on the case in #144. It has that townie smack to it. Then they followup again at #155 with another good layup on Estelle, and Iām at the point where Iām going to stop reading them for the rest of this catchup because Iām not killing them D1.
Era- comes in mellow and pretty NAI for opening salvoes. Claims to ānot like the spotlightā (#91 in a defense to Atlasā opening case. Thatās a weird defense to a weird case, why does Era feel the need to be defensive over this? Were I town in their shoes, I would just say I was memeing and move on, not try to justify it as a strategy. Uses rp as a defense in this instance as well. Makes the defense Iād more expect in (#95) to Drekākar. I do like their needling of Estelle in that same post. Their vote on Estelle follows logically from that, but then they back off in #99 after a correction from Estelle that doesnāt seem to address most of their points. Attempts to establish a circle of trust at #129, and to their credit I like everyone else they include there. Jumps on the Estelle wagon at #147, seemingly sheeping Atlas (not seeing other reasoning?). Mount a defense of their opening posts play at #198 which strikes me as very self aware. Then just spends a lot of time on the defensive up to present.
Running commentary (everyone else)*:
Luna- chill to start. Townreads atlas for trying to act as town leader #58. Luna recipricates Drekākarās instigation, probably a good look for both of them. Also tries to get Drekākar to run down players (#93). I am starting to see Luna as fitting into a certain town archetype I have seen across games. āIām not sure why you think Iād feel pressured to throw out a town read at SOD [quote=āLuna, post:112, topic:4080ā]
when it was mostly emotes being posted.ā is a great quote from them which I am contrasting to Eraās reaction to a similar question about SOD. Luna shows some wavering on Estelle which I do think fits the archetype I am forming of them in my head at #199, I think they are really trying to get the kill right. So I am pretty comfortable removing them from my D1 kill list.
Drekāar- starts by claiming mason. Instigator, wants to make things happen. I respect that. How Drekākar and Atlas were interacting felt fairly wholesome early on. Instigates with Luna (#64). Donāt like how they qualify their thoughts on Era so much in (#81), it feels like a high signal-to-noise ratio. Leaves thread, comes back at #180, and mirrors my thoughts on Atlasā style this game- itās just not how Iām used to people talking, and itās taken some getting used to. Gets back into it with a substantive post at #189, where they discuss Eraās entrance. The post itself is ok, but this conversation/reason to suspect Era feels stale to me at this point of the thread, and Iād expect Grekākar to have more- unless they hadnāt read any more of the thread since they left, I suppose. Then at #209, Drekākar notices the same thing I noticed about Eraās defense (or rather, I noticed what they noticed), and starts a wagon with Rune. Big town props for noticing the same thing I noticed and going for it.
Estelle- wants Drekāarās mason, hanging about until #86, where they case Luna. Note Estelle is the one who claimed organizing=bad, so Iām gonna need some evidence from them on that. I do share their sentiment in regards to thinking about RP as a way to āguide their thoughtsā, but think their Luna vote is pretty weak. Atlasā play can be replicated by many scum, sure, but itās also the sort of play that tends to generate townreads from folks who appreciate the effort, and itās a leap to assume theyāre doing so because theyāre scum grasping for a townread. Doubles down on this take however, at #119. I warm up to their process around #123, as they do seem to have their own way of solving. Estelle is talking a lot about their busyness (for example in #153, which I do have sympathy for because struggling to keep up in thread can appear as scummy when you are not, and hell, Iām really busy too and wonāt be much of a top poster because of it. But itās also pretty >rand scum to talk about that in my experience, especially when they ādonāt really feel any malicious peopleā #244. Trying to decide if that and #251 is actual āzomg so townyā, or an attempt to fake it.
X- present, then townreads Atlas, Drekākar and Juliette on vibe (#87). I have no reaction to that.
Rune- Makes themselves known, obviously catches up, then votes Era at #208, talking about some similar things Drekākar has said. I like their follow up posts, particularly #250, where they go into why Eraās behavior around the Estelle vote is odd.
Dubu- last one to the party, voted Drekākar. No reaction.
Thoughts
From where I sit, Iām perfectly content with Era or Estelle eating it if this were a 12 hour day. Iām quite pleased to see how many potentially readable moments weāve generated in this short period. I have a pretty strong townread on both Atlas and Luna. I have some questions to a few people Iāll post subsequently as well.
*Thought Iād split this up a bit so it wasnāt so massive
You should vote Era because of their defensiveness, sheeping reads without being confident in any of their own, and how obviously aware they are of their position in the thread. They strike me as not willing to risk themselves with a take on more or less anything.
You should vote Estelle because theyāve lain down a weak vote, and exhibit symptoms of active lurking. The busyness they talk about so much is probably the truth, but that can weirdly enough be a >rand scum indicator even so.
Iām voting VOTE: Era for now, I think thereās just more there.
I want to know why @Estelle said organizing games is bad for town. I am interested in the data they have on that, if they do have it.
I want @Era to tell me what about Estelleās picking at your case on them caused you to change your vote? How could that possibly convince you, if you were sure of your case?
Would it affect your read on me to know both of the āFollow upsā that you like after my case were just me being addressed by others (Juliette and Estelle) and then responding to their queries? Neither were me clarifying myself.
Not particularly. The circumstances donāt matter to me as much as the substance and what I read as the intent behind these posts. My instinct on these posts remains the same, I could tell you were talking to others as you made them.
@Drekar is it an unfair characterization of your play to say that youāve been somewhat singleminded this game? You clashed with Luna early on, then moved to Era, and have since pushed in that direction.
I really apologize for, like, quintuple posting after not being on (meaningfully) all day. This time at night is the time I have to post, for the most part. So during the week itās gonna be a lot of no posting during the day and evening catch-ups. And I already have to go to bed. Themās the breaks.
I will admit that for initial consideration I am not feeling the Ai.Mi posts to be particularly thought provoking nor do they spark the same town processes that I have seen from others. Which could be a warning bell of sorts.
I am half inclined to write through exactly why this is not a good thing but I am also aware that I am very tired right now. And being tired makes me a little less cognizant of reading bias.
So I shall instead state my initial reaction for posterity (as above) and then I shall be back in hours later to see if reading through it leaves me thinking the same thing again.
V
Kai
Atlas
Drakhar
Era
Luna
From my skim this seems consensus (except era) but its prob right
Atlas/drakhar are the most obvious villagers and can lead us d1 iyam
Estelle/juliette i wanna re read later. Estelle posts like someone id always wolfread unless i have meta. The way they keep lampshading all their movements (āI re read this because xxā, āIn ny head i was thinking xx but then yy happenedā, idr other exact examples but its all over their posting) is wolfy but i am not super convinced its not just a playstyle quirk
I have nothing to object to juliette they just didnt feel as villagery as the other high posters from skim
Why?
I also dont really get the confidence in the last line, you didnt strike me as an hyper confident player
I guess thats not how you quote
Test
isnt not being confident in your readsā¦why you sheep?
defensiveness is 1 of the most overrated wolf tell iyam
ill get around to reading your wall at some point but i donāt really vibe with the push on era (thats not for you, its just in general). I think their reaction to being pushed early on was textbook villager getting pressured reaction and they did a good job of mixing in defense/reads
couple of mech thoughts:
most important role is atlas imo. so cool that he is villagery
i donāt like d1s but they are generally they most important days to look back on for info and i think game will turn super mechanical later so i am down to spend more time on d1 and less on the other days
my role is the optimal d1 lunch lmao
Going to sleep soon but just wanted to make you all aware that Kai is outed. Like borderline gamethrowing to not vote them outed.
VOTE: Kai
Thank me later.