Pathologic Invitational - TOWN VICTORY!!

[Aelin]

retraction of lemon being rand town ftm

[Aelin]

im
multitasking a lot of things rn so its probably best if i just get through everything and then answer questions so i can be more comprehensive

[Aelin]

rn im in class plus reading up plus trying to respond
and im dying! so

[beancat]

@Whysper

I had assumed they seemed more disorganized in thoughts

yike

Anyway

Most of Whysper’s posting is calling people town and even being very hedgy on their one scumread

@Whysper

So for Kanave to even reply is just getting attention where I think a wolf wouldn’t want it.

@Whysper

I have to admit that I can’t help finding your initial posts wolfy, but at the same time I know it is hard not to look wolfy as a new player.

@Whysper

That’s the thing. I think sometimes people just comment on the one idea and aren’t really thinking about reading a slot. And I think that’s NAI for many people.

@Whysper

I don’t really have any strong wolf reads. I was slightly wolf leaning Jar for their entrance, but I feel like that’s not fair because they are new and I know how that is

Think I’m fine with their reasonings and demeanor to not want their immediate removal at this time, but it’s kinda weird that they haven’t had anything eyebrow-raising this entire time

[Arctic]

@Aelin

right now i am going to work off the base level of arctic/may are town until i see something proving otherwise

this seems kinda wrong because a lot of what you were seemingly thinking about the game revolved around me in particular mine and may’s interactions so i thought you would have had… more thoughts on either of our alignments after that
like
y’know the whole internal process thing i expected there to be

defaulting to a townread with no further elaboration feels weh given all of your previous posts where you give the impression that you are thinking about our slots more than anything else

[Aelin]

@Vulgard

it would honestly be really funny if we day 1’d a wolf despite that fact

bleh
bleh?!???!??!???

@ElizaThePsycho

@Arctic

i may be nitpicking here but this feels like more of a metaread than a gutread from the choice of wording

so i am once again asking you for an explanation

you are nitpicking
it’s a gutread

whats your gut say about arctic
is it still relevant rn

@Arctic

i genuinely think killing a wolf today is probably -ev because if the game continues to be this inactive then the one thing that i’m relying on to solve the game is associative reads but if we kill a 5 posting wolf day 1 those kinda become not usable and it’ll be a situation similar to PCI endgame where we’re just running around like headless chickens

this… sounds dumb
sorry arcy uwu
i could delete that but i wont lol
anyway
i think that especially in a 9v2 killing scum is incredibly important
even more so in poisoner where fake poisons can bring an entirely new level of wifom into the game
so… hard disagree
do you even do association reads? i dont remember the last time we played together but i dont remember you doing many association reads

@Vulgard

and killing a town is +ev?
can you please explain how this works

ty vul

@Vulgard

this doesn’t compute to me
do you think jar’s partner didn’t tell them this game existed in this thread ? or do you think wolves are both inactives

or are you trying to argue jar’s partner told them now the game was happening here

ty vul
vul now spitting facts

i think arctics argument about it being bad to kill a wolf is weird and bad and dumb
but also towny?
its a level one read but the balls it would take as a wolf to say “lets not kill wolves” would be incrediby funny but also not worthwihle here

but @Arctic what are you planning, then, for today? Are you trying to execute a wolf? A willaging town? A non-contributor? Because no-vote is not an option.

[ElizaThePsycho (Willow)]

@Aelin

hats your gut say about arctic
is it still relevant rn

death

[Aelin]

my conclusion is that you guys are towny after thinking about it and i am approaching worldbuilding from that mindset at the moment
i can give my full thought process but i dont think it would be very informative because most of it for you is “you feel towny because you have been really accurate from what i remember regarding information surrounding yourself and even if you feel a little weird some of the stuff youre doing doesnt make sense from a wolf perspective” and “may didnt take the immediate out of “oh is it an rt” which i think is towny”

[Aelin]

so if i see something reading up that intensely challenges that worldview
i will take a new look at it and reevaluate the eliza-vulgard thing
but until then that stuff stands

[Arctic]

@Aelin

do you even do association reads? i dont remember the last time we played together but i dont remember you doing many association reads

i mean after a wolf flips i’ll look at who is likely/unlikely to be partnered, and factor this into my read (without staking entire reads on it) but i don’t like to rely on preflips very much

@Aelin

but @Arctic what are you planning, then, for today? Are you trying to execute a wolf? A willaging town? A non-contributor? Because no-vote is not an option.

i… don’t actually know
i’m kind of looking at the people voting me and going
if i don’t have a good grasp on the game at eod i don’t mind dying because i’ve been talked about quite a lot so it might be useful, i am slightly worried that without me however the game would become a ghost town.

(also partly because i doubt bean and eliza are both wolves and my flip would prove a point that you can never be accurate from omgus and gutreads (quite literally respectively their reasons for voting me) and it might… make them actually think a little more deeply about the game)

[Aelin]

@Arctic

@Aelin

I don’t think so, but I haven’t really played in a while and I was busy yesterday and sleepy today.

oh well i could have sworn you focused on micro things because i dont really remember you making many macro reads… outside of tone but idk if that even counts

i think i made a mistake while replying to this previously which… lines up yeah
historically im a pretty micro player
sorry for confusion

[Aelin]

@Arctic

@Aelin

do you even do association reads? i dont remember the last time we played together but i dont remember you doing many association reads

i mean after a wolf flips i’ll look at who is likely/unlikely to be partnered, and factor this into my read (without staking entire reads on it) but i don’t like to rely on preflips very much

@Aelin

but @Arctic what are you planning, then, for today? Are you trying to execute a wolf? A willaging town? A non-contributor? Because no-vote is not an option.

i… don’t actually know
i’m kind of looking at the people voting me and going
if i don’t have a good grasp on the game at eod i don’t mind dying because i’ve been talked about quite a lot so it might be useful, i am slightly worried that without me however the game would become a ghost town.

(also partly because i doubt bean and eliza are both wolves and my flip would prove a point that you can never be accurate from omgus and gutreads (quite literally respectively their reasons for voting me) and it might… make them actually think a little more deeply about the game)

that
yeah
ok
i dont really have thoughts on the top part except “yeah no shit sherlock”
bottom part is dumb
dying is bad and id prefer a non contributor to die day one over a high poster if both are town but i would prefer a dead wolf
but like
if youre town we should want to keep you alive as long as possibe because you interact with a longt of people

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beancat (2): Arctic, Nokiel
Arctic (2): ElizaThePsycho, beancat
Aelin (2): May, Vulgard

Not Voting (5): Aelin, Jar, Kanave, Lemonfairy, Whysper

[Arctic]

i mean, the problem is if we kill someone who hasn’t been discussed much then we’ll end up in the same situation tomorrow without much more information, regardless of the flip. i suppose we’ll have a poison or nightkill but eh

ultimately it kind of comes down to what my reads are at eod, because i feel like a lot can change up to then. but if i’m not confident on my reads and don’t have a main suspect, i don’t really mind dying, for the sake that it gives probably more information than any other flip would, and then i also won’t have to think about the game

sorry this probably sounds dumb but i’m trying to badly articulate why (for the first time as town) i don’t actually feel bad about dying…
(until i get to dvc and see the two people i thought were wolves were actually wolves)
(except that won’t happen obviously)
(…right?)

@Aelin

if youre town we should want to keep you alive as long as possibe because you interact with a longt of people

yeah that is a thing i guess, and there’s also the problem that i’m… not sure i trust the game to be active enough without me. idk man

[Arctic]

i meant to go to sleep like an hour ago fuck

[Aelin]

Sleep and show up for eod

[May]

@beancat

@May

Yes! I did this on purpose. Making the exact same push with a lot of the exact same people in thread gives me a really easy point of comparison for reactions, because it’s literally one-to-one.

This doesn’t feel that smart of a move given that Vul recognized it but ill applaud the effort

Even if people recognize it, that’s fine, because they’ll still have a distinct reaction to me making the exact same push as last time. Doing weird shit throws people off and gives you more organic, genuine reactions.

@beancat

more so on the arctic read here:

@May

Alright, Arctic elaboration time.

Definitely not the kill today
I don’t entirely agree with the read and don’t think effort clears may, but better to have them around than me

May confirmed for tryhard (this has been confirmed for a very long time)

@beancat

However I do disagree with an Aelin kill today and have issues with the ways May brings them up

@May

This is where things start to look off to me - specifically, this post raises questions without saying anything.

Well no not really
since the post says this

@Aelin

Specifically, both of them feel very… I don’t know the proper word for this, but they’re very ‘complying’ with each other? Like, they seam very… relaxed?

Yes there’s a lack of clear wording that im often guillty of but the message and suspicion is definitely there.

It’s there, sure, but it’s not presented in a way that makes it feel like Aelin is taking responsibility for it, you know? It feels like this post is intended to make the reader

@beancat

@May

It feels like Aelin… doesn’t want to argue too strongly that she’s town?

More of “I think May is wrong” than “I think May is suspicious”
Town shouldn’t need to go “I’m town because” at every small opportunity like this, rather that’s more of a wolf tell

No, they shouldn’t, but that’s not what I’m saying. You’ve taken my words out of context. It’s not specifically that Aelin wouldn’t say she’s town, it’s that Aelin really sounded like she didn’t want to draw attention across her (short) ISO, and this was one small part of it - Arctic asked her a specific, direct question, and she was pretty… wishy-washy about it, y’know? Like she was trying to stay under the radar. It’s tone. It’s always tone with me.

@beancat

Lastly this:

@May

Lemon is probably town

First Vulgard, now may, think someone else as well

I fail to see why lemon is town

Yes they’re nice to have around and i would kill for the little creature in their pfp but unless im missing some big meta lemon is a hard null

slot definitely gets a large eyebrow raise from me

Lemon’s play this time around feels super similar to what I’ve seen from her in previous games - she asks a lot of questions, engages with people, pokes at things, in a way that just… doesn’t feel like it has any agenda behind it. It’s not a hard read, nothing is at this stage, but given the current gamestate, my first instinct is always going to be to look at the slots that don’t want to engage with people and provide content.

[May]

Aw fuck I’ve failed to tryhard I didn’t finish one of those paragraphs.

It’s there , sure, but it’s not presented in a way that makes it feel like Aelin is taking responsibility for it, you know? It feels like this post is intended to make the reader come to their own conclusions, so that she can flexibly explain it away later on.

[Arctic]

if i sleep through my alarm

uh
i think vulgard and may are probably town
also jar. probably

gn

[Aelin]

@May

It’s there , sure, but it’s not presented in a way that makes it feel like Aelin is taking responsibility for it, you know? It feels like this post is intended to make the reader come to their own conclusions, so that she can flexibly explain it away later on.

so…
am i supposed to bullshit a conclusion i dont have? because if thats the way we play town now feel free to kill me