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[tutuu]

fighter is so complex and has so much build options lol u get 20 feats + up to 4 weapon feats + up to 4 armor feats

[Atlas]

guess tutuu’s found heaven

[Amelia]

a word I never thought I’d hear being used to describe Fighter

[Arete]

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@Arete

+ any other modifiers [e.g. if you choose to take an attack roll penalty with spell combat, or if you have feats or traits that give you a boost])

…wait, how does Spell Combat work if I want to swing my scimitar and cast a touch-spell like Frostbite? Do I roll two attack rolls for both attacks individually? If so, would it be possible to deliver the Frostbite by punching my enemy (considering I would be wearing a Spiked Gauntlet), or do I really have to use my bare hands for it?

–speaking of punching my enemies, would I still be giving my enemies opportunity attacks if I were to attack them with the hand that is equipped with a Spiked Gauntlet?

–also, once I get access to Spellstrike, is there really any point in using Spell Combat anymore if I were to only use touch-based spells? (I know I can use Spell Combat for things like “melee attack + Shield spell”, but I am currently asking this question solely in the context of attacking my enemies.)

(you did not ask this but I’m clarifying because it seems relevant:)

An “unarmed strike” is different from a “melee touch attack” – an “unarmed strike” is basically trying to hurt someone by punching/kicking/etc., whereas a “melee touch attack” is basically… trying to make physical contact with them?.. such that poking their armor would still count as a successful touch attack. Unarmed strikes provoke attacks of opportunity if you don’t have the Improved Unarmed Strike feat, but melee touch attacks don’t inherently provoke attacks of opportunity (although they might still provoke an AOO for other reasons, e.g. spellcasting where you didn’t cast defensively).

(actual answer starts here:)

Yes, if you’re using Spell Combat to swing your scimitar and cast Frostbite, you would roll one attack roll for the Frostbite (a melee touch attack, vs. the opponent’s “touch AC”), and another attack roll for the attack with your scimitar (a regular melee attack), both of which take a -2 penalty. You can’t make an extra unarmed strike (or spiked gauntlet attack) when you deliver the touch attack, you would just be using your bare hands, but (as stated above) this doesn’t provoke the normal AOO you’d provoke from making an unarmed strike without the right feats.

Attacking your enemies with a hand wearing a spiked gauntlet would not provoke an AOO

The main reason you might want to use Spellstrike and Spell Combat together is that you can “combine” them, essentially getting an extra attack (basically, you use Spell Combat to cast a touch spell like Shocking Grasp, use Spellstrike to deliver the attack through your scimitar, and then still have the extra attack from Spell Combat left over).

[Arete]

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–by the way, would you allow me to have Deivon’s Parry on my Spellbook?

Yep, that’s fine

[Geyde]

if pf1e fighter dropped today they’d call it featslop frfr

[Amelia]

f*ghter

[Amelia]

multiclass slop

what do you mean, warlock

[Arete]

@tutuu

how exactly would you DM rule frightened condition?

what would be an example of “if unable to flee, it may fight”? rooted in place? any others?

That would be one of them, it could also apply if you had an enemy cornered with no escape route (e.g. trapped at the end of a corridor, only able to flee if they run towards you rather than away)

@tutuu

is there a mechanical ability of “feeling”?

People you’re fighting are still characters with whatever motivations they have, so even if someone isn’t mechanically “forced” to run away, they might still be more likely to decide to run away if they’re more scared (depending on the specific person)

(I’m not sure if I interpreted your question correctly, let me know if this didn’t answer it)

@tutuu

also, is there a particular range that the fleeing target needs to be from the offender, in order for it to be feared from them, before it wears off? like 30ft?

They have to flee until they’re out of sight range (or hearing range if sight range doesn’t apply, e.g. a blinded creature), after that they can choose how they act (but if the duration is still running, and they tried to return to sight/hearing range of the source of their fear, they would just have to run away again) (AoN’s rules are a bit more detailed than PFSRD’s)

[Zone_Q11]

@Arete

The main reason you might want to use Spellstrike and Spell Combat together is that you can “combine” them, essentially getting an extra attack (basically, you use Spell Combat to cast a touch spell like Shocking Grasp, use Spellstrike to deliver the attack through your scimitar, and then still have the extra attack from Spell Combat left over).

*checks out Magus on AoN site*
…correct me if I’m wrong, but -assuming I were to play as a Level 2 Magus- wouldn’t that mean that only get to do the Spellstrike + Spell Combat combo once per day?

[tutuu]

tyy :P yeah it answers it

[Geyde]

time to prepare exclusively appraise buffs

[Arete]

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@Arete

The main reason you might want to use Spellstrike and Spell Combat together is that you can “combine” them, essentially getting an extra attack (basically, you use Spell Combat to cast a touch spell like Shocking Grasp, use Spellstrike to deliver the attack through your scimitar, and then still have the extra attack from Spell Combat left over).

*checks out Magus on AoN site*
…correct me if I’m wrong, but -assuming I were to play as a Level 2 Magus- wouldn’t that mean that only get to do the Spellstrike + Spell Combat combo once per day?

• in principle you can Spellstrike/Spell Combat with cantrips (although if you want combat cantrips with a range of “touch”, you generally need to wait until third level, when you get access to Magus arcana (one of the options can grab spells from the wizard list))
• the Spellstrike/Spell Combat combo doesn’t let you cast two spells in the same turn, it’s getting you an extra regular weapon attack (…so you could do it a whole ~3 times per day with first level spells, assuming you’re getting 1 bonus first level spell)

[Geyde]

Magus is an arcana merchant ngl

[tutuu]

rogue - try to sneak attack, miss all attacks due to 3/4 BAB per level, get one shot due to light armor

sorcerer - cry and run behind fighter

fighter - complex and rich variety of build options, allowing a variety of playstyles, including any combination of weapon, armor, shield usage, ranged weapons, thrown weapons and combat maneuvers, can fulfill the roles of a tank, dps, ranged dps or a battlefield controller

[Amelia]

why cry and run behind the fighter when you can just blow up all your enemies. Blow up the fighter too while you’re at it for not getting out of fireball range

(rogue kinda eh in this system. this is why I am not a rogue anymore)

[Atlas]

i feel like this might be targeted at some members of our party

[Amelia]

it’s okay tutuu thinks he can outdps me

[Amelia]

he’s like, entirely correct, but only while we’re level 1

[Amelia]

damn you feral mutagen