Stratagem-15 FM - MAFIA VICTORY

[Luka]

@guavagudetama

And not you not wanting me to ISO you…?

This is kinda TWTBAW, in the sense that I dont think a wolf would openly admit not wanting to be ISOd.

@guavagudetama

I feel like it’s much more likely that, regardless of her alignment, she just didn’t understand that it was a joke

Wouldnt pushing arctic for this instance be better, or do you think they’re being townie in another way?

@guavagudetama

More self meta posting

This instance isn’t self meta; its more saying that that’s not really inherently townie. At the very least, its not self-meta to clear / town read oneself.

@guavagudetama

I don’t like this post
The phrase “if I was town/scum/whatever” has always rubbed me the wrong way
but it’s also probably thoughtless shitposting so

I like to make psots like this alot as scum; calling something scummy without providing reason gives a solid foundation for later scum pushes. Possible guav is doing the same; but at the same time calls it thoughtless and dismisses it.

@guavagudetama

Caitlin getting a lot of heat for asking someone why they think they’ll live today like I do not get it

I do not either.

[guavagudetama]

@Luka

@Garfooled

Honestly the “doesn’t get the joke” thing was more Arctic

I just found their response to Zug weird
But I could see where Arctic was coming from on that

Agree on this matter

@Garfooled

/shrug

Will find out on flip no?
If it happens anyway

Non-chalance on what’s hpapening is townie, not caring about how you’re read.

This is the post I’m thinking of
Tell me if there’s another post that also explains your Gar read

I’ll have to dig further into Caitlin’s ISO for their “response to Zug”
But I still don’t think that Gar’s nonchalance is necessarily townie and I’m not sure I’m going to budge on that given regardless of alignment people aren’t typically nervous about one vote, bar Jarek

@Caitlin

@Zugzwang

ehhhhhh nah

since rand i was planning a post for sod2 advising people to hypoclaim villa

How do you know you are still alive at SoD2?

Oh this duh
Yeah I still. I still don’t see anything wrong with it LOL like it’s kind of a silly question because the answer is they don’t know that
I don’t think Gar (and by extension you because you said you agree) is right about this but I’m not sure how I can further explain why
I just don’t think Caitlin asking a question with a fairly obvious answer makes her scum

[Luka]

I disagree with guavs thoughts, alot of it feels rather pointless. More like trying to find something rather than organically giving thoughts. Ill lower them down to bottom of null / top of scum lean

[Luka]

@Luka

• Garfooled(Like early voting since I never expained this, #87 read good.)

Hypothetically here seems town; just most of there ISO seems relaxed. They’re kind of cruising through the game, not really caring which is more townie behavoir imo. Wolf cares much more about there image / current space of mind, townie does not. That’s my current thoughts on the matter, and I disagree with most of what you sadi being wolfy / scummy. Alot of it is just nai, its the general tone of them that reads town to me.

[Arctic]

I just won a town game where I tunneled one wolf on day 1 until they died on day 2 and shot the other two

Now I need to win a mafia game here

[Garfooled]

It’s on brand for guava to push me as scum btw
They shot me 3x in a row in Wild West

[Arctic]

im laughing too hard at this

[Garfooled]

am I being a silly billy?

[Garfooled]

I’m not caught up, I lost my spot like 2 times so far trying to ISO

[Arctic]

no just the fact they literally shot you every day

[Garfooled]

haha yeah that was pretty funny xd

[Garfooled]

I was low hanging fruit
Would you consider me LHF this game?
If so then, even more on brand

[Garfooled]

@guavagudetama

@Garfooled

hypothetically if I was town

I would do this
Dabs aggressively

I don’t like this post
The phrase “if I was town/scum/whatever” has always rubbed me the wrong way
but it’s also probably thoughtless shitposting so

Just admit you hate my dabbing like everyone else does!

[Arctic]

I feel like you’ve already done more this game than you did in like 2 days of that game so probably not

[guavagudetama]

@Luka

I do think may has been exceddingly townie though, and if they’re pocketing me its working.

I think May is townie too, I don’t know if I fully trust Abigail just yet is my thing

@Luka

This is kinda TWTBAW, in the sense that I dont think a wolf would openly admit not wanting to be ISOd.

I think they were memeing on second glance but in the moment I was very confused as to why they said that so I threw it in there

If it wasn’t literally the last post I quoted and I had given myself more time to think I probably wouldn’t have included that LOL

@Luka

Wouldnt pushing arctic for this instance be better, or do you think they’re being townie in another way?

I think Arctic is town but wrong, and I think Gar is just trying to ride the coattails of his Caitlin read

@Luka

This instance isn’t self meta; its more saying that that’s not really inherently townie. At the very least, its not self-meta to clear / town read oneself.

I agree that they’re not trying to clear themselves with self-meta, I’m saying it feels like they’re trying to use their own meta to push onto someone else who is, y’know, another person
I’ve fallen into this trap before too

@Luka

I like to make psots like this alot as scum; calling something scummy without providing reason gives a solid foundation for later scum pushes. Possible guav is doing the same; but at the same time calls it thoughtless and dismisses it.

It feels scummy to say things like “if I were town I would ____” or “if I were scum I would ____” because they’re not particularly provable, or if they are provable it requires you to read a whole different game’s ISO of them which is a lot of work

@Luka

More like trying to find something rather than organically giving thoughts

I am trying to find something
A reason to TR Gar
I can’t find one

@Luka

not really caring which is more townie behavoir imo.

This is what I said in binary stars hydra joat10er and I hard defended a scum and my partner flamed me in post game dms

@AerieRaffles

I don’t think he’s scum I guess it’s more of a nullread but I think a scum player would at least pretend they care about being townread and I don’t even really see that
~Raffles

I was gagged so hard when he flipped scum

@Garfooled

It’s on brand for guava to push me as scum btw
They shot me 3x in a row in Wild West

Have you tried not being scummy?
Like I can only push people that look suspicious

[May]

@guavagudetama

I think May is townie too

Why. Explain. Double spaced

[Garfooled]

Hmmm without catchup, current standings that include posters:

Town
Luka
Arctic
Windward
Abigail
May
guava
Caitlin
Scum

[Garfooled]

@guavagudetama

Have you tried not being scummy?
Like I can only push people that look suspicious

I am so towny, like,
you must be evil to not see it /shrug

[Garfooled]

/shrug looks so bad
I need
I need my lenny keyboard

[guavagudetama]

Double spaced is smthn idk how to do but

All of your reads in your opener made sense to me even if I didn’t necessarily agree with them
Like I could see where you were coming from when you said people like Wind and Gar were townie, even if I disagree with the latter

@May

Arctic tends to act defensive and indignant as town in a way that I think is strictly against his benefit in terms of not getting voted out. I really don’t have enough sample size of his wolfgames to know if this is the case, but it seems like the kind of thing that one would tone back if, you know, not getting voted out is one’s wincon. It’s not the strongest of reads, hence why it’s called “ Towny enough for me for now” even in a no-hedging-allowed earlygame reads post, but it’s a thought I had.

This was really well explained
Don’t think you would have said this as scum when someone could push on Arctic for being defensive
I think you’re right btw I’m sheeping this read

@May

he’s repeating something over and over again in his posts, which I tend to do as a stress habit(, nya), which I am not sure is a read that is very broadly applicable outside myself. Most people do not have my specific brand of issues.

Even with that aside, I think his posts are weird. He announces he’s leaving thread very loudly. He goes all “don’t make me come back to 1000 posts”. It doesn’t feel like an organic shape to me. It’s not a sharp one, either. It is like… half a footprint. To me. Warped strangely. How could you all townread someone whose posts warp strangely

I don’t really agree with this Zugzwang read

@Zugzwang what game did we play together again? You felt like this the other time we played and I’m pretty sure you were town but I don’t actually remember what game it was

Anyway
Even though I don’t agree with the read, I think it makes a lot of sense how you got to this conclusion and it feels like you’re trying to solve the game