The beatings will continue until townplay improves - Day 2 - 9/11

[ImaginaryNeon]

I am at #304

[Io-1]

I’m confused. Aren’t you voting me for reasons pertaining entirely to Day 2?

[iamagummybear]

@Io-1

I endorsed Soweli wagon before I logged off.

So you moved from soweli to chomps hoping it would start a flashwagon on chomps?

[ImaginaryNeon]

I am still reading up, but I still at least kind of try to keep up with the active part of thread for the sake of at least vaguely knowing the present tense in any capacity

[Io-1]

Yes. That was my intention.

[Io-1]

@soweli

(ftr I don’t think we should resolve outside me/daeron today unless things bigly change in the next 30 minutes)

@soweli

I think a world where we vote out pandora (and she’s town which i think is most likely) or really anybody else who’s town tomorrow is going to be more of this. I Don’t expect that I will be able to re-coup my forces and present stronger arguments as to why I’m town, especially with Daeron likely wolfreading me the whole time. I would obviously prefer that Daeron be hanged, but yes I think me being hanged is preferrable to most other options.

@soweli

ok the fam4 thing was even more valid because I was self-presing off a cop, this is more just situationally:

If daeron is town I want him to have my flip (if he survives) and work off of that. If Daeron is mafia, I want my flip to be out there in order to make better sense of his own progression.

@soweli

VOTE: Leafia

considering things.

I think you were trying to be townread here. I don’t feel like this original sentiment is genuine where you consider yourself a good elimination.

Still just gathering quotes and reading.

[Io-1]

Quotes

@soweli

I mean fair I’m just an (get ready all you thematic analysts) very uncertain player

(sorry if this reads in poor taste Daeron I think you got more worked up about this)

@soweli

I mean you most clearly demonstrated respect for frost’s town potential, which makes you an initial suspect at least.

As for why you would’ve died: you have the most posts in the thread. Most people had you as decently towny; and when you go down the list by postcount:

me & Daeron if v/v it’s ideal for mafia to keep us alive
lo-1 is… complicated. new to the game & while generally seen as towny there have been more substantiative accusations thrown around & it’s probably easier to push them.
pandora again not really a huge thread presence despite her towniness, this would probably be the “wolves are very happy with the state of things” sort of kill.
Chomps people haven’t really been renewing the townreads on him so he’s pretty easily ML potential especially when he was on the leafia wagon; not really a liability
Zone… too many people don’t have reads on.

I’ve been vibing differently with frost, like I don’t think he was that towny or had that big of an effect on my play in particular but Daeron has been vouching for a lot of things there.

Neon & childe are null

@soweli

@iamagummybear

like genuinely i don’t see you doing any of this as a wolf

why not? it all seems fairly do-able unless I missed something recently

@soweli

@Io-1

Would a wolf really wait for my response then just…

Say that’s how they felt too?

Doubt it.

…

I think this is probably the towniest it gets but nothing in particular from the recent streak (without closer inspection) convinces me that lo-1 is town; they’ve proven themselves to be decently compotent, I’ve seen similar-ish players be good at the sort of deception he would be pulling here.

@soweli

Sorry (I have to go)

… What do you think about EoD

@soweli

Wait chomps? That’s new & freshTM

I don’t get the impression that you’re trying to solve the game recently. I read these posts as posting just to contribute without changing much about the threadstate. Perhaps this is unusual here, but you almost were eliminated yesterday, so I don’t expect this behavior from a villager. It feels like trying to disappear while a hypothetical village Gummy and I distract everyone by distrusting one another.

[Io-1]

soweli (1): Io-1
ImaginaryNeon (1): Zone_Q11
Io-1 (1): ImaginaryNeon
childe (1): pandora

Not Voting (5): Daeron, soweli, iamagummybear, childe, Chomps

This votecount also does not give me any confidence.

[iamagummybear]

@Io-1

I don’t get the impression that you’re trying to solve the game recently.

Outside of you and me (and still dubious on both of us) i don’t know if anyone is really

[Io-1]

@soweli

Id probably go

Hesitant townread (Not fully convinced either can’t be wolf but it’d be hard): lo-1 (i think specifically the defense against leafia made it click. Which is odd), pandora (was obvtowning), Chomps (weakest here just doesnt feel right despite his posts looking fine)

Weak Townlean (i forgot my reasoning): gummy, zone, leafia

Nice little void (null): Neon, frost, childe

Daeron

@soweli

@Leafia

If I was a wolf, I’d be way more active than this

I would tend to agree but this doesn’t amount to much, I think the way that leafia is making reads is good, like the lo-1 point was pretty insightful, while the townreads don’t feel forced (note my bias as one of leafia’s townreads), the progression on gummy feels natural i suppose. Considering moving her up a tier.

[A few posts cut out that just seem to be mentioning that Leafia is voting her.]

@soweli

hey zone why did you want to vote leafia

@soweli

@iamagummybear

leafia has just been really towny

elaborate?

@iamagummybear

like she’s present and making reads on people that i’ve been making in my head

which i feel like it’s harder to fake these thoughts as a wolf

@soweli

ok that’s somewhat fair. I think there have also been some of those moments for me but I’m not really taking them into account that much.

@soweli

VOTE: Leafia

considering things.

I don’t see much progression here from townreading Leafia to eventually starting a last minute wagon on her.

In fact, it reads like you townread Leafia including when you ask Gummy why Leafia has been really townie (because you seem to take it as valid) but perhaps you don’t accept Gummy’s reasoning.

Following this, it’s also never explained when this shift happened:

@soweli

mainly I’m trying to weigh

1. If I think Daeron is actually a wolf… and again I’m like not really seeing the thought process on any of his reads up to & including his townread on you.
   1.5) If v/v me/daeron can make it through the game.
2. If I think Leafia is a wolf (main contender for me right now, lo-1 i would ideally like to be kept an eye on (along with gummy)), I am partially sheeping both zone & daeron’s logic there but also curious as to how the CFD will work out

You claim to be weighing Leafia as a wolf, but this never bled through in your posts beyond asking Gummy to elaborate on why Leafia was townie and then not challenging it.

[Zone_Q11]

Considering “the majority” believes that “there is no pressing need to vote right away” (and by extension not vote until EOD or until they won’t be available), this has pretty much become the norm on this site.

Now I could ping everyone and press them to vote, but like: I already did that multiple times in the past, and their excuse always loops back to the argument on the previous paragraph.

At this point I’m just actively choosing to ignore the thread until EOD since the only time anything useful is happening is either at SOD or EOD.

[iamagummybear]

Okay I’ll bite

@soweli

VOTE: Soweli

[Io-1]

@soweli

Can you point out your process behind your posts to me for where you started doubting Leafia being town and what triggered it?

[Io-1]

@soweli

But also I could solve if I wanted to, I can say that Leafia is reminding me more of her wolf meta even if i don’t want to rely on meta I don’t have much space to go elsewhere

Buried in a post. There’s some of it I suppose.

[Io-1]

I look at that line where you say you don’t have much space to go elsewhere and, with the context of it being you reconsidering one of your townreads, I get the idea that it was a reaction to the pressure of imminent death.

Which supports my theory that it was a disingenuous claim that you’d consider yourself an okay elimination.

[Io-1]

I don’t see any consistent line behind your posts that a villager would have. I feel like your position just changes way too quickly and often to be supported by a genuine thought process and is thus opportunistic.

Gummy is spontaneous but in a way where - as I’ve said - I can see her thought process behind her posts. So I am led to believe it’s not simply spontaneity.

[Io-1]

@Io-1

So I am led to believe it’s not simply spontaneity.

*that it’s not simply spontaneity that prevents me from seeing a mindset.

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

At this point I’m just actively choosing to ignore the thread until EOD since the only time anything useful is happening is either at SOD or EOD.

This is why the beatings are severe.

[soweli]

I am firstly busy with college and secondly just unsure on where to go; I mean first of all there’s a bunch of ???s which means I either need to go full correctly on townreads within active players & convince people or have accurate wolfreads neither of which feel like accurate plausibilities. I’m also just in my regular doomer phase of a game combined where I think anybody could be a wolf (for example I don’t like this post of yours because it’s very bad faith like how does me almost being eliminated mean I should be solving here? The wagons don’t particularly motivate any further solving.

@Io-1

n fact, it reads like you townread Leafia including when you ask Gummy why Leafia has been really townie (because you seem to take it as valid) but perhaps you don’t accept Gummy’s reasoning.

??? saying “that’s somewhat fair […] i’m not really taking them into account that much” does not imply that I’m townreading Leafia?? I’m acknowledging that those were towny moments but not that they overall make leafia town.

@Io-1

but this never bled through in your posts

not everything does?? and this is a perfectly reasonable example of that because consideration is only written down in thread when the medium of writing helps me develop the thought, or when I need to talk to somebody about it, neither of which was the case.

[soweli]

I was saying I don’t have space to go elsewhere in reading Leafia