skill issue??
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like even if I ignore your misunderstandings of my posts that appear to create contradictions (which, I donāt claim to be great at communication but the degree to which this happens should imply something), firstly this is just from my point of view categorically false, and yet I do not have much position to counter your argument, particularly since I just cannot necessarily reconstruct my thought processes (especially since you seem to hold different standards for what posts resulting from a certain thought process yield in than I do.
This is to say nothing of my meta either, in such a context this accusation holds no water to me as in games where I am at risk of dying, and no I will not be citing particular sources because I do not have specific sources in mind, my wolf game is often easiest to find by my strict rigidity in thinking and lack of votes, more recently I have become all too preoccupied by who Iām paired with & how this limits my possibilities for reads.
Now granted I have been holding back on some of my intermittent wolfreads on you/gummy/daeron because they are not substaniated enough to be productive to present.
Anyhow I have been thinking I need to re-update a lot of my reads (read everyone but zone & neon (town & null respectively)) so Iāll be working on that.
10/10 defense.
if i force myself to say something about this post, itās wolfy because itās mostly judging chomps by metrics heās set out (differentiating one-self), bad communication, and being boring, which while sometimes a good wolfhunting method is also a good way for wolves to push ml-able town.
soweli (1): Io-1
ImaginaryNeon (1): Zone_Q11
Io-1 (1): ImaginaryNeon
childe (1): pandora
Not Voting (5): Daeron, soweli, childe, Chomps, iamagummybear
While valid, you found time to post unrelated fluff posts that make no attempt to further the gamestate or post any of your reads. Iām not trying to build a narrative that one must always be furthering the gamestate, but as far as I recall, you have dropped off significantly since the start of the day compared to your play in Day 1.
This is not the behavior that I would expect from a villager. Daeron, for example, had a whole moment when he was online at the same time as Gummy and they got excited about the possibility of me being a wolf, and the mindmeld they had there. I believe this serves as a representation of a villager approaching the game ā Daeron still attempts to solve the game, further his reads, and push wolves. This is not something Iāve seen you do.
You almost were hung last phase. This means that at least some players in the game donāt think youāre town and if you are town, this is a problem. I would expect villagers, motivated by not wanting to get hung, to be motivated by the imminent death and the way they would do that is to begin solving the game and try to make themselves more solvable to other players or to be more involved in the game.
I find it unreasonable to call this bad faith. In fact, I donāt see how that makes sense. If anything, I am be using an artificial/arbitrary standard of towniness and holding it above your head to push you when it would be applicable to other slots as well, but you donāt say that. I think this stems from being focused more on your own behavior rather than others, as I think a villager would be more aware of threadstate.
Also, I think itās entirely reasonable to expect any town member to try to solve the game. So calling it bad faith to push that narrative onto anyone doesnāt make sense to me.
you ever think about the fact that we may just be wrong and the mafia team is just like childe and chomps or something
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Acknowledging that reasoning to townread a slot is āfairā implies, to me, that you townread the slot. Because if you didnāt, and thought Leafia was a wolf, the behavior I would expect from you is to disagree because it should not be fair to townread a player you believe is a wolf.
To a degree. And there are plenty of angles in the logic Gummy used that you could have attacked.
My own 2c here. Perhaps just a difference in perspective.
okay
this is gonna sound like a really bad idea
but what if we just sleep today
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my reasoning is like
we have no one weāre comfortable town reading really and everyoneās dead in thread
mafia has to kill anyways and like
IDK THATāS SOME INFO
i havenāt worked the math out to see if this is a bad idea
if benguined is reading this i can see him screaming at me
It does if itās one of your stronger townreads that you eventually lead a wagon onto. At least after the fact I expect you to start justifying it ā thatās what I would do if I withheld a read from the thread, and itās what I did when I sort of withheld my earlier Gummy wolfread from the thread.
You do say that Leafia is playing more like her wolf meta, that part I did find and quote. But I find that opportunistic and donāt believe you genuinely thought that.
i think youāre trasnferring types of statements that donāt transfer over to mafia into mafia.
Wolfy players are going to post things that seem towny and townreading them for those things is generally fair, particularly when there is no necessary fact that makes one viewpoint that emphasizes certain posts more valid than another; so if I were to revise that post I would probably say āfair, I think Leafiaās other posts have not been great and she has been aligning more with my perception of her wolf metaā and then gummy says āidk it weighs out differentlyā
That is as much info as them killing Frost.
Sleep is objectively the worst choice, since itād reduce Townās passable MLs from three to two, and this is taking account that no divine intervention were to take place.
it was a short period of time that i was re-considering??
Not as important practically in EoD, I donāt have time to pull direct quotes nor does anybody else.
where are you getting this from
What I really, really dislike is how I feel like Iāve asked you this multiple times and I havenāt seen you answer it clearly once.
The best way for me to find you as town is if you explain your process behind Leafia, as my view of it as it stands is what motivates most of me pushing you right now.
I did it with Gummy. I did it with Gummy twice, actually, throwing out previous posts I made to flip my read.
I could do it with you, too.
Town WCS:
2 Town deaths per cycle
Start from 9v2 at SOD1 ā SOD4 3v2 LYLO
If we sleep now, then (assuming WCS)ā¦
D1 9v2
D2 7v2
D3 6v2
D4 4v2 MYLO
The difference is indeed as mentioned. If we sleep now, then Town will effectively have two MLs instead of the original three MLs.
(I donāt understand what this means.)