The beatings will continue until townplay improves - Mafia Wins

[Chomps]

@Daeron

they are not trying to solve the game.

I instantly became evil when I was not sweating on a mafia game, conversion abilities got out of hand

[Daeron]

@Chomps

@Daeron

they are not trying to solve the game.

I instantly became evil when I was not sweating on a mafia game, conversion abilities got out of hand

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman

[Chomps]

I am accepting this beacuse I think it is the way to catch a wolf, which is what wins the game, I never solved on a mafia game why would I do it now

[Zone_Q11]

How does this make sense? How can there be players who are so “=rand” that we would keep ignoring them? Does this mean that if I were to rand Mafia in the future, I can get away with anything by not playing the game?

[Daeron]

Yes.
The long-term solution to fixing that is to policy until they start generating AI content to avoid being policied as you are advocating for
The short-term solution which increases our chances of winning in this particular game is to ignore their existence and hope in our game the 82% chance they are town, they rolled town

[Zone_Q11]

Okay, but look back at Neon’s posts.

D1 “catching up” → plays the game (albeit slowly) → not PLed
D2 “catching up(?)” → does not play the game (essentially), but not PLed “because others were scummier than =rand”
D3 doesn’t make a single game-related post → not PLed because of same reason as D2

…do you really not see the issue here?

[Zone_Q11]

If this is how “logic” works, then all games would converge into a world nobody is playing the game they signed up for. (At least, not after D1~D2.)

[Daeron]

I mean I’ve not PLed him not because there’s scummer people but because of the reasoning above
there’s an issue to every approach you take with Neon. it’s pick your poison.
generally it’s not as big of an issue it is in this game because you’d have more players who are obviously their alignment but the two players I identified as obvious town got killed off during the night

[Zone_Q11]

I… I just wanna cry, man.

[Io-1]

@Zone_Q11

FWIW I still townread you because of an obsolete criteria from my homesite

What is this criteria?

[Zone_Q11]

Volume tell. I come from a primitive site where efficiency was non-existent. (Though as of present, that is no longer the case…)

In the olden days, the more one speaks, the more likelier it is that they are Town. This criteria is still stuck in my mind despite it clearly being obsolete.

[Io-1]

@Daeron

town is imploding in on itself
mafia are just sat on vanity wagons
uhhhhhh

so there’s at least two villagers in Zone tunneling Neon and not elaborating, Neon not reading more than 30% of the game, childe who lurks EoD to plant a vote without elaborating, and pandora & Chomps sat on vanity wagons at EoD only to then criticise the people active at EoD for being wrong when they’ve not been active at EoD to change town being wrong - actions speak louder than words moment

Something I am considering is that I’m only wolfreading more active slots subconsciously. For example, my pushes consist of Soweli and Gummy (and you, by extension).

I think that doesn’t usually show up as a problem, because most of my games aren’t like this. I haven’t learned how to read slots off of only a few posts and evaluate them fairly to higher posting slots, because those with more posts will almost always be easier to wolfread because there’s more posts to read. (They’d also be easier to townread with more posts, but that’s not relevant.)

I thought this was true and thought about it for a while, and what it meant for my solve of you/Zone… but after thinking, I (independently of that thought) started to reevaluate Zone.

My current position is that you’re paired with Childe. I can make points from the conclusion to support my hypothesis, but that’s poisoned science. For example, it is notable how you treat Childe as different from other slanking slots… but I only thought of that after thinking you two might be paired.

[Io-1]

@Daeron

@Io-1

I don’t know what to think anymore.

so you specifically said at EoD that unless soweli died you don’t know how you would proceed
what were you intending on learning from soweli’s execution?

Clarity.

It did not arrive very well, unless it’s about as clear as mud. I thought being correct would have obviously helped a lot and that being wrong would help lead me on the right path. I considered myself a fine villager (prior to this game, which is making me doubt that thought) so I believed that even if I was wrong, it would help me.

I think it has. I was firmly townreading you at the end of Day 2. I think your point about being alone because I’m wrong is moot, considering my position currently is very different from what it was going into N2. In other words, I’ve already reevaluated, and I still am.

[Daeron]

@Io-1

I was firmly townreading you at the end of Day 2.

so how have I gone from being firmly townread to today’s execution for you?

[Io-1]

@Daeron

childe’s vote at EoD yesterday was so bad that tbh it suggests they were uninformed of soweli’s alignment

I don’t understand this argument. Childe had posted a reads list before, I think. I haven’t verified this, but if it says that it thinks Soweli’s a wolf, then what’s terrible about it?

[Daeron]

the fact the only thing they’ve posted regarding soweli’s alignment is putting them at the bottom of their readslist and then not elaborating?

put soweli at the bottom of their readslist, lurked EoD, voted soweli - got them executed and then left
if childe is a wolf then lol

[Io-1]

@Daeron

@Io-1

I was firmly townreading you at the end of Day 2.

so how have I gone from being firmly townread to today’s execution for you?

I did post a lot of my process earlier. I went back to the end of Day 1 and looked at the votecounts. I believed that you would be the most likely wolf given what we knew already.

I might have posted more, I’m not sure; but I do remember coloring the votecounts.

[Io-1]

@Daeron

the fact the only thing they’ve posted regarding soweli’s alignment is putting them at the bottom of their readslist and then not elaborating?

put soweli at the bottom of their readslist, lurked EoD, voted soweli - got them executed and then left
if childe is a wolf then lol

It’s about up to par with the bar this game has set, in my opinion. It seems like this game is more of a light game.

[Daeron]

@Io-1

I did post a lot of my process earlier. I went back to the end of Day 1 and looked at the votecounts. I believed that you would be the most likely wolf given what we knew already.

and what exactly is your analysis of the votecounts during Day 1 and how they make me mafia?

[Io-1]

@ImaginaryNeon

38 games (maybe a few more that I forgot) and I still suck ass, damn.

I mean, hey, if you’re town, I was still able to find you in this environment. If you’re a wolf, then you’re doing what you’ve got to do. It seems to be the meta here.