The beatings will continue until townplay improves: Part 2 - The Chessening - Final Day (3/11)

[pandora]

[pandora]

[pandora]

@carbonated

@pandora

And like it doesn’t make sense for anyone to kill childe EXCEPT carbonated.

It does NOT make sense for me to kill childe. AFAIK childe has been sheeping everything you said

okay but you had no other options. If you killed apen I wouldn’t’ve had a target and if you killed me childe wouldn’t’ve had a sheep

[pandora]

@carbonated

@pandora

I was so sure I was dead that I didn’t even check thread

Why would you be so sure of you being dead on a day where you were not going to be executed? Why would you not contribute to the game?? This makes no sense to me

it was night i was consensus town and i thought apen was wolf and would’ve killed me for sussing them

[pandora]

@carbonated

@pandora

forwarded it to the gms who gave me the go-ahead to snap vote

this feels unnecessary detail for you to add here and why would they not let you anyway it’s in your hands how the game goes

as I said in the message I didn’t want to throw the game.

[pandora]

@carbonated

@pandora

very pointedly said that they wouldn’t act the way that the wolf acted. I hate “I would never do that” arguments

I never said that. I was just pointing out why the kill made no sense to me.

you literally did

@carbonated

I were wolf I’d easily shoot Pandora → a easy apennine/childe/carbon misexeing childe

“If i was wolf I wouldn’t do what happened I would do this instead”

[pandora]

@carbonated

@pandora

Going like “WTF the wolf did the most confusing thing??? and now I (a townie) am fucked up about it?” not once not twice but five times is a little much.

I firmly believe this is within my townrange to say this and this is extremely NAI.

FIVE TIMES IN TWO POSTS?

[pandora]

@carbonated

First off you’re making the same “I wouldn’t do this as wolf” argument (everything you accuse me of doing that led you to the conclusion you are doing as well!)

It is a qualitatively different matter to go “It can’t be me because as wolf I would do this instead” and “It can’t be me because I have no reason to have done this if I was”
One is using theoreticals to support facts. One of them is using logic to support facts.

[pandora]

@carbonated

If you killed off me—that leaves a straight path to apennine. Almost too easy right?
If you killed off ape — that leaves a straight path to me. Also almost too easy right?
If you killed off childe — first, you kill off your top townread, pulling credit towards yourself.

That’s not what I was talking about. I was talking about my vote on you today vs apennine today

[pandora]

@carbonated

It does NOT make sense for me to kill childe. AFAIK childe has been sheeping everything you said

interesting point. because i thought

@carbonated

first, you kill off your top townread, pulling credit towards yourself.

So did I kill my top townread to gwt cred. or did YOU kill my top townread to stop them from sheeping me

[pandora]

like if i’m wolf why do i kill childe ever. ever. i asked. you didn’t answer. why ever

[pandora]

@carbonated

Especially this:

@pandora

carbonated if you’re the wolf i’m going to be kind of upset. two wolf slankers

Why recirculate this if you thought you can pull off a misexe? And yeah I know you said childe before but at that point I think we all knew that childe/apennine if they both made it to endgame both were going to go after each other. So by recirculating childe you open that possibility.

Wolf slip also. yes, why WOULD i circulate your name if i thought i could pull off an apen misexe, a thing that I had been pushing for all day and that clearly had support from the guy i supposedly killed

[pandora]

like as a wolf i don’t need to kill YOU SPECIFICALLY to win the game. In literally every world in which i’m a wolf the final 3 is me childe and apen because I had convinced one to vote the other and the game is always over when town votes town

[pandora]

like, materially, killing childe is the worst possible thing for me. I have laid out why YOU had no other choice but you have yet to provide an adequite answer as to why I would have wasted all of that effort to convince childe only to abandon my tool when it matterd most

[pandora]

“for towncred” CHILDE TOWNREAD ME

[pandora]

i COULD have just left childe alive, pulled this exact same stunt on apen and had childe finish the job. there’s no fucking reason for me not to have. That’s borderline throwing

[pandora]

@carbonated

I trust that t!you would be careful enough to at least have gotten rid of the uncertainty!

Well I WAS certain coming into the day (hence my expectation of death) and then I decided to reconsider and found my reasoning lacking. and then I took a gamble

[pandora]

like if you were so certain of YOUR vote why didn’t YOU make a specific case on someone? You hedged that both appennine and I could be mafia

[pandora]

genuinely your entire case here is “pandora voted me and i’m town so clearly she’s the wolf” whereas I’m laying out logical worlds. You can’t even answer why I would kill childe aside from the vague idea of towncred when i don’t NEED towncred in final 3

[pandora]

If I was wolf, why would I build up Apen world and then kill the person who believed Apen world and then switch my vote on a whim? I had an easy win. Why didn’t I take it?