It’s ok the game is just a game and worst case we just have fun while playing again :)
Fundamentally what it comes down to is that carbonated’s reads feel like they are naturally developing based on the things she’s reading. A lot of her conclusions have been similar to how I’ve read things, and if we look at her read evolution on Ishmael, she suspects her at the same times I do and also finds the same posts towny. It doesn’t have any of that awkward forced feeling that mafia often have when forming reads on the partners and needing to fit it into a specific path they want to take.
pandora has really good tone for most of the game, but the posts around where she voted carbonated today read as very fake to me, and over the course of the game I don’t see read development to the same extent as I do from carbonated. While I initially liked her “hey what about ishmael” posts, which happened twice when others weren’t talking about Ishmael, it does also feel like it could be that she’s struggling to maintain a suspicion on town players since she knows they’re town and keeps defaulting back to a suspicion on the player she knows is mafia. It also makes sense to me that mafia would be more aware of their partner’s suspiciousness and may want to be the first to call it out.
In a material sense, I think carbonated has done more to help town, but in a way that’s more under the radar. Defending town correctly being a prominent one. It’s the same logic I used when talking about why I struggled to clear childe.
Both have a few awkward interactions with Ishmael and a few good-looking ones. I could believe Ishmael playing either the “keep partner in suspicions but don’t push them that hard” route with carbonated, or the “call my partner extremely town and then forget about the read later” route.
Despite pandora saying she is very methodical as mafia, I think just based on playstyle it seems clear to me that carbonated is more methodical and pandora is more impulsive. I think the Childe kill makes more sense from a pandora who had childe as the objectively most clear player on the previous day, rather than from carbonated who at end of day was engaged in conversation with me where I was trying to convince her it was childe. For how engaged and understanding of the gamestate carbonated has been, it’s harder for me to see her not just take the path that’s been presented to her.
Reading back the previous day, the whole monty hall thing just feels forced and intentionally set up way in advance so she could look town by having a sudden insight moment and switch doors, and I don’t really think she pulled it off in a believable way.
The strongest reason I had to clear pandora aside from tone and feeling genuine was that I thought her vote on Ishmael was not a good strategic choice. But mafia often do things that I strategically disagree with, and she also may have panicked a bit and thought the votes were likely to go onto Ishmael anyway and needed to switch early.
I’m worried because I think pandora is easier to suspect here. She feels more “objectively suspicious”. I feel like I’m often wrong when I choose that option, and I did promise myself as soon as Ishmael died that I’d heavily consider carbonated if she’s still alive in the final 3. I have tried to do so, but it still just feels less likely to me.
There’s been a few things also that feel like pandora is not really trying to win me over, while carbonated if mafia has been winning me over all game by defending me.
Whoever it is, both have played well!
Good luck, and my apologies if I got this wrong. Thanks for the game everyone, it was a pleasure!! :D
VOTE: pandora
pandora (2): carbonated, apennine
carbonated (1): pandora
Flip will come soon.
Pandora has been executed!
They were...
Vanilla Town
Simon Webb
(England, 1949–2005)
You are Vanilla Town. Your only weapons are your voice and your vote.
Win condition: Defeat the Mafia.
Congrats to the wolves, @carbonated and @Aleph!
Frankly, I thought town was going to win that when Pandora did that vote on Carb. I found Pandora’s play today very villagery and Carb’s play extremely wolfy myself.
Here’s the link to spec chat.
Link to mafia server.
how it felt watching f3 (that one interstellar gif)
awesome read after i died. fantastic play all around. good game all
Good game, well played, great vote pandora and sorry that I couldn’t get there!!
incredible play from carb wp
Yeah. This was a fun game to cohost and I learned a few new things too.
i think this was overall a pretty good effort from town carb just played kinda out of her mind
We continuing the beatings with this one?
Now I gotta host
The beatings are definitely fucking continuing after this one
Summary
town actually played pretty well in this one but thats my catchphrase until town wins one
i carried ez gg
I didn’t read most of the game so no broad comment but I think that pandora was maybe obvious town in F3 because of things that maybe should not have been said but this is from somebody who knows pandora so shrug