There's No Freaking Way I'll Be Your Mason! Unless... -- Day 3 (10/14)

[meow]

yes, that was intentional because I like the preview not instantly collapsing every time I edit something within it (yes I can do it last, but I didn’t want to…)

[meow]

does anyone want to talk about anything (I say this as I look at the time and realize it’s bedtime, and I still have to brush my teeth)

[Ash]

Where are you at with Frost?

[Ash]

Meow, Don't Click Until You Answer First. You're Better Than Carbon.

Asking because he feels like normal Frost to me. In a similar vein to Ishmael, he’s being assertive to the point of provoking a response from other people, and I remember thinking that that’s something Frost actively works to temper in his wolf games.
I can read what w!Frost looks like in other games, if that’ll help? We had the disaster of the Willow case, but it might still be worth something.

[meow]

I don’t knowwwwwwwww

I was sussing and then he posted a vc with colored names, and I went “okay he’s frostposting again, I’m pocketed”

I feel like generally there is much less solving activity happening with him than I am accustomed to, but this game is not frieren-levels active

the direct/blunt tone feels good still, there’s been a bunch of posts I’ve enjoyed the phrasing of, might be nai

no one can read frost it seems, no one really wants to discuss him :( I do feel like frost probably becomes a bit more readable later in the game, but still. where are you?

and I just remembered I was planning on being silly with arrow diagrams and ran out of time to do that tonight

[meow]

I probably should just take a break, I think I’m reaching the point where I start spiraling myself into being lost and doubtful, and we aren’t that pressured yet

I am desperately curious about your reads for sanity checks, but also take your time

[meow]

thanks ash

[jason.mrrown]

votecount as of 955, 45 min before eod

snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe, ElizaThePsycho
willow (3): diafiasco, YoubutWorse, meow
Shending (2): Aleph, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (2): Chomps, Shending
diafiasco (1): jason.mrrown

@Shending

Idk, i still don’t really believe Snow’s Dia progression of “dia said this anti-town sentiment, weird!”, to then agreeing when i pointed out that Dia’s experienced enough to be fully aware of people disagreeing with the logic of holding back reads, to then pressuring on it again 2 more times with the reasoning that “eh everyone can slip up”

like yes, wolves can slip up, but that’s not really relevant to this specific context? Either dia knows how against-the-grain the thought is as either alignment, or he doesn’t

Just feels off to me

@Shending

Eliza also picked up on a similar point in her ISO. Where did you get the impression she’d made up her mind going into the snow iso? @YoubutWorse

I get that it’s a bad look to ISO the lowposter who happens to be a wagon, and then come to a wolfread and vote there. But idk, i think snow’s just wolfy so it makes sense?

@YoubutWorse to Shending

it was mroe so the points she made didn’t really make sense to me honestly and didnt feel like they accurately represented the posts snow was making, not that snow isnt wolfy

@Shending to Youbie

eh, meow is posting towny now too, and i think you and dia are prob v

so I’ll just sheep a pure looking wagon, i do agree that her iso is underwhelming as a whole

VOTE: willow

ig from this progression it looks like shending is gearing up to vote snow, and is convinced enough by youbie to vote willow instead, and right after that willow claims

ig if you try to write a narrative you could say that w!shending voted frost first to try to start an alternative wagon, and when that didn’t get any traction he was going to vote snow but decided to decided to position on willow instead…? eh i’m not really convinced by what i’m writing

and willow claims not long after shending’s vote

otherwise from dia being the first voter on the willow wagon there aren’t any attempts to push snow over willow, which maybe suggests there was already a wolf on snow

or wolves were afk lul

[Ash]

I feel like I’m at the point where I’m townreading a lot of slots, so it’s just PoE.

I don’t think it’s Chomps, Ishmael, Frost, Snow, or Barwe. Have been wrong, could be wrong, but that’s where I’m at mentally.
I’m slowly warming up to you? I think your immediate turnaround on Willow at EoD is probably towny because I don’t think w!you would bus her the entire day just to turn it around at the last minute because the snow wagon is close (I do think the Willow claim was done specifically with the intention of provoking a last-minute switch to snow).

That leaves Hippo, Shending, Jason, Dia, and Gummy, the last of which has barely posted.
Which is…certainly a PoE.

[Ash]

@Ash

That leaves Hippo, Shending, Jason, Dia, and Gummy

[meow]

@jason.mrrown

ig if you try to write a narrative you could say that w!shending voted frost first to try to start an alternative wagon, and when that didn’t get any traction he was going to vote snow but decided to decided to position on willow instead…? eh i’m not really convinced by what i’m writing

yeah I mean, I was 100% moving from willow to frost if willow’s claim seemed good, and I telegraphed that pretty hard. if wolves were planning something, they would have at least been able to count on my vote on frost haha

[Ash]

What does a Shending/Jason/Willow team attempt to do…?

[meow]

it certainly is!

what are your doubts about dia? I feel kinda locktowned on them – am I missing something?

and of course, please sell me on jason

I am ~open to shending at this point, and you know my stance on hippo

it’s never gummy surely… (maybe only in the super afk wolves scenario)

[meow]

jason what do you make of me being so comfortable with you being town?

[jason.mrrown]

stares

[meow]

this better not be a reference to what I think it is

[Ash]

@meow

what are your doubts about dia? I feel kinda locktowned on them – am I missing something?

I dunno, I’m still not a big fan of Dia’s D1, and I feel like their EoD was weirdly focused on, “If Ash is lying, I will crash out.” Nothing else outside of that.

I don’t have a full sell on Jason outside of the aforementioned Willow interactions and a vague sense that he never really, like, interacted with that slot much? This is very much a Multi-ISO thing, but you’ll see Jason posts, and then Willow posts, and then Jason posts, and then Willow posts, but neither of them talk to each other directly outside of:

@jason.mrrown

Hippo seems like a good starting point, given you’ve played w him a decent amount and wolfed with him last game

But he’s also been markedly different from how I’ve seen w!Jason play, so I don’t think I can convert that reticence into an outright scumlean.

All of these people in my PoE are just, “I think they could feasibly play this way as mafia,” in a way I have a hard time buying for the lower posters.

[jason.mrrown]

spoilers

@jason.mrrown

Hippo seems like a good starting point, given you’ve played w him a decent amount and wolfed with him last game

I lowkey mentally filed this as “suspicious” after realizing willow ignored this but idt it means anything, especially wrt my points in 1675

[jason.mrrown]

Idk what you think i’m referencing lol

[meow]

oh yeah I just remembered what I wanted to ask jason, you mentioned having done a meta dive into alexis? anything interesting from that?