There's No Freaking Way I'll Be Your Mason! Unless... -- Day 4 (8/14)

Frostwolf103 · April 4, 2026, 3:34pm

I could make a meme if I want to

Ash · April 4, 2026, 3:35pm

Oh, no; I’m referencing an old QBCord meme.

jason.mrrown · April 4, 2026, 3:39pm

@Barwe i think you’re misclearing shending

So from what i understand the primary reason you’re clearing shending is bc he’s playing towards his town meta. However, I think this is really dangerous to do, bc since you and him know each other well, it opens you up to scenarios where w!shending can play towards what he knows will get him townread by you to absolutely snow you. I don’t think any of the things you’ve pointed out about shending are outside his wolfrange.

I think what you need to do is instead of relying on meta, really look at his posts and examine the motivation behind them without any meta considerations. “Why is shending making this post, and what does mean about his alignment?” “How has shending positioned himself in the game if he’s a wolf, and what’s his plan?”

jason.mrrown · April 4, 2026, 3:42pm

Fun fact this is also what got me absolutely snowed by w!meow in my first game on fol, bc i was mostly considering her meta and not really looking at things outside of that

snow · April 4, 2026, 3:43pm

Jason Iso

Summary

jason.mrrown:

I’m still not sure what exactly about ash’s post pinged me so strongly, but there are a few things about it that doesn’t sit right with me

maybe i’m really polarized and ash has a godread on me, but him just coming out and saying i’m town 100 posts in feels wrong, i’d expect a slight townlean maybe

the almost reductive nature of the read, reducing w!jason down to being “nervous and jittery” to open the game. This is a previous meta-read ash had on me in a past game, which honestly i like much better compared to this one

Grande Idea - Endgame - Mafia wins

Jason jumping straight into analyzing and dissecting is town-indicative. w!Jason tends to fluff post a bit early on and sit on the sidelines, in strong contrast to him attempting to take point from get-go in his town games.

the use of meta that’s at least a year old. Ash knows I’ve had several wolfrands after the game he cited here, so him not using those is really weird to me

VOTE: ash

I feel like this interaction between jason and willow is pure. He wasn’t trying to capitalize on the unpair, and I feel like you can sense some genuine uncertainty when it came to voting willow, which I read towny

jason.mrrown:

ok so i was thinking a lot about how shending admits they’re self-conscious about their play and then i got distracted by reading the game on mu that shending and barwe played together

anyways here’s something interesting i found

well i’ll stop tunnelling when u stop posting like a redditor

697

There are things coming from Shending I like and agree with. Like his Ture towncase #657. But u also keep making these really big points out of anything! That’s my main problem. Like right after, #659, attacking Ajisai as if what she said was incriminating in some way, while I thought her post was totally normal – just strange to misinterpret. It happens again and again! Is it mafia indicative to overanalyse like that, or does it point to the pointlessness of trying to analyse anything through text? Do I need to hop on a train and go to your house and stare you in the eyes to figure out the answer???

698

so from what i gathered barwe was tunneled on shending that game bc shending was making these big posts that sounded good but didn’t have much content, hence the “posting like a redditor” comment.

when barwe defends shending this game:

Barwe:

Cannot stress this enough: everything from Shending so far is nai if not actually towny!!! i KNOW he posts like a redditor but my god i just spent a literal week being paranoid and scumreading him bc of just the same things u all r reacting to rn. Turns out he rly just writes like that. Might seem performative but he’s just engaged and i was just lucky last time to have others from our community who knew his writing style better.

Shending making long posts that say nothing is NOT one of the reasons why he’s being wolfread this game

Barwe:

Also he’s way too experienced for the expectation-managent stuff, if that makes sense. Like if it were not genuine and nai for him he wouldn’t as a cheating lesbian write about his coming absence in the first place.

i think the underlined doesn’t feel like a real read. Part of it is how it’s worded, part of it is that I doubt there’s like an equivalent of reading into posts centered around activity in irl mafia, which is their background.

I think this post feels like barwe saw his partner being wagoned and decided to throw out a post defending them without really looking deeper into why shending was being pushed, but that feels like a bit of a stretch idk

VOTE: barwe

Wall-post pairing barwe and shending which was immediately disregarded, where I think a wolf would’ve just let it be, especially if jason and barwe are unpaired

0/3 T-T

Good spot

jason.mrrown:

ig this is me imagining myself from an outside pov so take it as you will but I think you can look at the last 6 hours of eod? I think if I was wolf I would have either tried to defend willow harder or push counterwagons that had a greater chance of going through than pushing dia

I think I don’t post 753 as a wolf

votecount

snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe, ElizaThePsycho
willow (2): diafiasco, YoubutWorse
Shending (1): Aleph
diafiasco (1): jason.mrrown

This is the votecount at the time. It’s so easy to vote snow here to put their wagon more ahead of willow’s, and yet by making this post I make it harder for w!jason to justify voting there.

I’d also argue that I played the last few hours of eod in a very casual manner, townreading ash in 801, reevaluating dia in 960, and not caring that my partner is getting run up by town. By the time I do take a stance on willow vs snow in 1041, willow is already the lead wagon and has claimed, which is too late (lowkey I got bailed out there bc I was preparing to vote snow ggs).

idk how good this towncase actually is since it’s coming from myself and i admit i did push dia over the other wagons bc i thought they were wolfy but it is what it is

I usually hate self-casing posts of any nature, but oh well

My mind blanked out somewhere in 100-120 inside his iso. But I guess thats for the better.

Why even make this post though…?

Jason on Shending's movement d1

jason.mrrown:

votecount as of 955, 45 min before eod

snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe, ElizaThePsycho
willow (3): diafiasco, YoubutWorse, meow
Shending (2): Aleph, Frostwolf103
Frostwolf103 (2): Chomps, Shending
diafiasco (1): jason.mrrown

Shending:

Idk, i still don’t really believe Snow’s Dia progression of “dia said this anti-town sentiment, weird!”, to then agreeing when i pointed out that Dia’s experienced enough to be fully aware of people disagreeing with the logic of holding back reads, to then pressuring on it again 2 more times with the reasoning that “eh everyone can slip up”

like yes, wolves can slip up, but that’s not really relevant to this specific context? Either dia knows how against-the-grain the thought is as either alignment, or he doesn’t

Just feels off to me

Shending:

Eliza also picked up on a similar point in her ISO. Where did you get the impression she’d made up her mind going into the snow iso? @YoubutWorse

I get that it’s a bad look to ISO the lowposter who happens to be a wagon, and then come to a wolfread and vote there. But idk, i think snow’s just wolfy so it makes sense?

YoubutWorse to Shending:

it was mroe so the points she made didn’t really make sense to me honestly and didnt feel like they accurately represented the posts snow was making, not that snow isnt wolfy

Shending to Youbie:

eh, meow is posting towny now too, and i think you and dia are prob v

so I’ll just sheep a pure looking wagon, i do agree that her iso is underwhelming as a whole

VOTE: willow

ig from this progression it looks like shending is gearing up to vote snow, and is convinced enough by youbie to vote willow instead, and right after that willow claims

ig if you try to write a narrative you could say that w!shending voted frost first to try to start an alternative wagon, and when that didn’t get any traction he was going to vote snow but decided to decided to position on willow instead…? eh i’m not really convinced by what i’m writing

and willow claims not long after shending’s vote

otherwise from dia being the first voter on the willow wagon there aren’t any attempts to push snow over willow, which maybe suggests there was already a wolf on snow

or wolves were afk lul

Jason's iso of Ish

jason.mrrown:

day 1

Aleph:

white boy

soul read each other v?

Aleph:

hippo lock v

ash lock v

hang jason and dia and call it a day ill take my best town award in advance tia

Aleph:

you should consider it, you’re putting on some good ass wolf theatre with alexis right now

Shending/Alexis

Alexis2282AE:

Hmm.

Shending:

frozen in wolfchat? hullo

Alexis2282AE:

I believe that you would be the wolf for anyone in this scenario, not me.

Alexis2282AE:

Out of the two of us.

Shending:

I’m afraid I’ve been checkmated

I actually thought this was way more awkward on alexis’s end, but this is a fine read.

Aleph:

barwe v

ash v still i trust my white boy soul read

meow v

idc shoot shendigs ten times out of ten

alexis ehhhhhhh i’ll judge them(?) on how their(?) pushes flip, if they’re(?) flipping towns with it hang hang hang hang hang hang i want them(?) as a wind chime

hippo locking in as v

willow is willow posting i’ll just pray she catches a night kill

chomps fuck you chomps i hate reading you (i love you)

dia v

Aleph:

it’s mostly just him finding people V pretty easily

i know as wolf i tend to just v read everybody and just let town self devour eachother

just he’s doing the shit i would do as wolf yknow

meow did point this out earlier but this also stood out to me, where ish has some townreads, some nulls, and only one push

Aleph:

ash is soul white boy v read i am not changing that from wahtever

hippo is hippo posting as i expect from him motherfucker hasn’t changed in a decade it feels like

barwe was v at time move to null now that more time ahs past

dia is still posting as a v

Aleph:

you are skirting alng the edges which is hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

eye on you JAAAAAAAAAAAASON

Aleph:

shending stil want him dead want his family dead want his house burnecd to the ground i wanna pis son his grave

youbie im giving more time to i didn’t liek the slot prior to the dog’s replace in and kinda dislike her push on me for being kinda lazy (yeah wow ish was around for a couple hours at sod and pushed the guy she found wolfy wowee)

Aleph:

still on sendig vanity may or may not be around for eod

the main problem I have with ish, and why I think she’s so wolfy, is that there’s barely any progression behind these posts. most of her reads don’t really change significantly. i also dislike their sole wolfread on shending, there’s no attempt to reevaluate there even tho shending has posted plenty of content. they feel like a wolf with a really narrow focus whose reads are frozen. ik ish makes gutreads as her playstyle so there’s some allowance for a lack of progression but like… the zero reevaluation on shending goes beyond that imo.

day 2

Aleph:

largely was just jamming a finger into a wound to see how you’d flail

flailed like a towny and alexis/ybw flipping V locked it in 100%

already at eod1 as you know i was like “yeah this shits done for now”

from the way ish describes her approach to shending d1 this reads like she’s reaction testing shending, which I think would describe her calling alexis/shending w/w at sod1. However she continues to push shending for the entirety of d1 which is beyond a reaction test

Aleph:

dia/ash/shen

maybe barwe maybe meow

Aleph:

will be casing jason probably once i finish up

again, ish’s worldview is woefully narrow today. She’s solely focused on me and hasn’t taken the time to really update her d1 reads thoroughly at all. I’ve given her space for most of d2 so she can solve in case I’m wrong but outside of her case on me it hasn’t really happened.

anyways really really don’t like jason weird with how he handled willow prior to her being CCd by ash, don’t remember how weird but looking back in a world where he’s paired with willow is #worthit his pushes just feel very opportunistic, im a LHF have been since day one and the fervor at which he’s pushing it seems odd, going to go back to see if he’s doing this with anybody else will go into further depth later when i’m not splitting my attention from thread watching

All of Jason’s Soft Defenses of Willow[Included him reacting to the Ash CC so you can’t claim im taking out of context] The way he handled Willow day one is extremely suspect, it’s all light defense and redirecting votes away from the now flipped wolf. I do not think a town member makes defenses in the way Jason did of a at the time unflipped wolf. VOTE: Jason Will dig into more Jason stuff later but this is just a preview something something surgical summer pusha t reference something so…

i’m sorry, but these cases are not really doing it for me. naturally i’m biased, but they feel really shallow, they don’t feel like they come from town invigorated by a d1 wolf flip. granted it did seem like ish had more to say but didn’t get a chance to send it

tldr ish’s narrow tunnel on shending w no reeval combined with her frozen reads is wolfy and her lack of solving and worldview is uninspiring

VOTE: ishmael

Jason's d2 readlist

jason.mrrown:

Lock town
Ash- cc’d willow
Dia- started willow wagon, hard no bussing d1 meta (especially since willow was mafia pr)
Snow- willow counterwagon, more points in 1210 and 1675

Towny
Shending- see 462 and 500. Their positioning on the willow wagon is good too, slight bussing paranoia remains but they seem fine

Barwe- solving posts in 1416 and 1417 look p decent, sheeping shending’s townread here a little

Meow- i think i just have a massive blindspot here, the last two times i was able to get a good read on her were bc she sussed a wolf for the entirety of d1 in a qbcord game and bc she was in a hydra with gummy. Her posts seem normal, realtiming with her seems normal, her positioning on the willow wagon is good, but idk if that’s out of range for her. ash had a good case for t!meow in 1331. If I survive until d3 I’ll properly go through her iso, and will be able to evaluate with the additional benefit of two more flips

Gummy- I have yet to see a w!gummy game where she slanks, i think w!gummy feels obligated to try as part of a team. Gummy also hasn’t pushed agenda at all bc of the inactivity.

Chomps- i thought his treatment of alexis was towny when he was being pushed

Poe
Hippo- i thought he had good posts (explained in 1609 and 1638), but i can’t help if i’m reading them for the wrong reasons and they’re nai. ig my reasons for wolfreading them would primarily be them starting the snow wagon and remaining on it all the way until willow claimed

Frost- he’s very wrong about me but he’s interacting with people in a non-appeasy way, he’s defending his reads, which is >rand town, but not towny enough to be higher

Probably wolf
Ish- see 1791

Jason thought he was misclearing people, so here is a redo:

Throughout d2 you can see jason going back and forth between ish and hippo in his mind. Lemme see if he comes back to this d3

jason.mrrown:

Here’s what i think happened eod1:

willow felt pressured enough that she felt like she had to look towny, so she made the wolfcase on snow

this i think suggests that no one in the thread at the time had enough threadpull to shield her, tho this point kinda doesn’t matter bc i haven’t felt like this is a powerwolf game unlike frieren mafia

when the pressure didn’t go away, and it became clear that willow was going to be a leading wagon at eod, then the wolves realized they needed to figure out a claim for willow

*starting here is my theory

knowing that willow is about to claim, the wolves can freely place a vote on willow

if willow’s claim is good (which wolves are hoping is the case), then they can freely switch to some other town

if willow’s claim is bad or gets cc’d, then their votes look really good

This is why i think meow/shending should be scrutinized

Jason's iso of Chomps

jason.mrrown:

Alexis2282AE:

It’s image-conscious in a way that I think comes from wolves more often than villagers.

This same logic can also be applied to the posts that Chomp just made.

Chomps:

this man is not solving he is just calling whoever he sees wolf

Chomps:

Explain your wolf reads come on

Chomps:

give me simple explanations

Chomps:

it’s so alien to me you’re wolfing someone with 2 meesages just as they enter thread, there’s still 0 posters and you have a ‘solve’

Chomps:

you’re just wolf reading people for one reason, this is not how a normal reader would be confident of their d1 reasons

Chomps:

i’m not switching the topic

i don’t have reads, its too early to be certain, but rn I don’t like how you’re going about the game

Chomps:

if you’re town this is the pitfall im avoiding , I could just call you wolf for this

but it’s too early, I don’t know your meta

The parts that are like “cmon explain your reads” and “i could just call you wolf, but im not” are really appeasing in a way that makes sense if alexis literally caught w!chomps and w!willow off openers, and alexis is giving them very little reason to engage and push back against so asking for reads is something w!chomps could be doing to have more to grapple with.

I saw this too, but I felt like it’s NAI. Mainly because it’s wifom to think about how w!Chomps and t!Chomps would react to an early read like that.

I hate that I can actually see what you’re saying, and it hurts my brain. I will sit on it for a while, not commenting further.

Frostwolf103 · April 4, 2026, 3:44pm

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snow · April 4, 2026, 3:44pm

There was definitely some level of force put on Willow

snow · April 4, 2026, 3:45pm

This is somewhat unfinished I just got tired.

TLDR: I’m not as certain on jason as I would’ve preferred to, but I would say there is a 70% probability he is just town

snow · April 4, 2026, 3:48pm

UNVOTE @Barwe are you sure you don’t want to reeval Shending?

Barwe · April 4, 2026, 4:14pm

Been doing this constantly

Liking what i see from yall rn

Trust the äggkorg~

Frostwolf103 · April 4, 2026, 4:53pm

All that turnout is for a guessing game.

jason.mrrown · April 4, 2026, 5:19pm

VOTE: shending for now, reading through meow iso atm

meow · April 4, 2026, 5:30pm

not sure what you mean here, my point was that the flavor was suspiciously coincidental, but that I don’t think you can or should read it as alignment indicative as towards whether the redcheck is real or not. and honestly when I think about it more, it probably was all a coincidence bc the flavor has been building towards this since eod1 before n2 actions happened

I am serious about my role being renako though (no freaking way!)

meow · April 4, 2026, 5:32pm

if Alexis was right

meow · April 4, 2026, 5:35pm

maybe I should stop clearing you for this too… (I’ll worry about this next game)

meow · April 4, 2026, 5:43pm

I think the sleep helped; I feel better and apologies for doomering last night. I also had a dream that masons were somewhere, which made my dream self glad the game was not doomed as well even if I think perhaps that’s not actually true.

my two hesitations against shending: barwe is as convinced he’s town as I am about jason and gummy + the stupid little thing about shending not knowing willow’s name

(and throw in the third: shending isn’t around to defend himself today)

otherwise, I’m not too opposed to like shending/chomps/me(ow) wagons or something

jason.mrrown · April 4, 2026, 5:52pm

i’ll say that barwe has started to trend down for me, i dislike the reasons he’s using to clear meow and shending and arrive at his poe (which feels wrong to me). The amount of confidence he has in his assumptions also feels off.

The way he’s pushing chomps and frost is also bad, like he’s just saying “they could fit in a lot of teams” when the reason that is the case is bc they’re lower posters and are more lhf. He hasn’t tried to seriously analyze pairings at all in a systematic manner.

Last night when i read this post my gut reaction was to lock barwe as wolf, but i think there are worlds where barwe is just misguided town, which is why i’m not immediately pushing him right now (also i think meow’s alignment is a more pressing concern)

Frostwolf103 · April 4, 2026, 5:54pm

The entire team, you saying?

Frostwolf103 · April 4, 2026, 5:58pm

I think the same way, good on paper but bad on execution.

meow · April 4, 2026, 6:04pm

good mindmeld

barwe has such incredibly good tone to me is the thing but agree that that post pinged a little