There's No Freaking Way I'll Be Your Mason! Unless... -- Night 2 (11/14)

I kinda didn’t expect a role that can give out an extra vote to be like, vanilla-y enough to be in this game (although I guess ash said his was some modified variant too). like I looked through the list, and the closest seems to be

  • X-voter - Their vote weight counts for X instead of the normal amount. This may be public or hidden. Typically disabled in XyLo.

but it’s not really like a “give another player a vote” really

but I mean. it’s confirmed ash has the doublevote, I think ash is locktown, so I suppose there’s no question about whether it fits into the setup or not

I thought hippo joking about being bodyguard right before willow actually claimed bodyguard felt kinda good in terms of timing / it feels very bold for a wolf who knows his partner is about to claim bodyguard to first claim it as a joke

also I realized I could just be subconsciously biased against frieren mafia members or something which is silly

kinda like the tone of these posts. chomps said he was getting a different vibe from frost this game than past games’ town frost. I generally agree, which is why he is in my poe, but the posts quoted are the ones that I feel like are kinda towny-feeling from frost in their bluntness?

I have never played in a game with wolf frost, and this could be nai. probably will just see how frost feels when he posts later today

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I think the main thing I was iffy on ishmael (but also kinda townreading her for?) was the conviction of her shending push. I am a little confused by her saying it was almost entirely due to a belief in shending/alexis w/w, when I remember it was partially bc she found every post of shending’s wolfy, so I feel like the 180 is a little interesting. I’m too tired to rewrite this, I skimmed iso and feel like ishmael looks better than I remember, there’s more posts about her thinking it was w/w than I thought

the ash soulread v thing feels good in spontaneity/vibes, unclear how fakeable it is for her

I was going to vote ishmael in this post bc I want to vote someone because no one is voting. I am no longer very sure. I might VOTE: ishmael anyway, and see what happens. I kinda do like ishmael maybe though?? [time for hippo to push us as paired I think]

is anyone online and want to talk before I sleep (I think not since I’ve been just saying words into the void for the last 40 minutes)

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jasonnnnn why should I think you’re town

why do you think I think you’re town

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jason don't read this until you respond but also obviously I can't enforce it

I don’t even know what kind of answer I’m looking for or if it’s even something very answerable, so this is just a sign that I’ll end up inevitably liking whatever answer you post ugh. but maybe you can like reaffirm my conviction more

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i’m… mildly surprised i’m not getting pushed harder? i thought someone would have come up with a case on how willow and I are paired

ig this is me imagining myself from an outside pov so take it as you will but I think you can look at the last 6 hours of eod? I think if I was wolf I would have either tried to defend willow harder or push counterwagons that had a greater chance of going through than pushing dia

I think I don’t post 753 as a wolf

votecount

snow (3): Hippopablompoyeetus, Barwe, ElizaThePsycho
willow (2): diafiasco, YoubutWorse
Shending (1): Aleph
diafiasco (1): jason.mrrown

This is the votecount at the time. It’s so easy to vote snow here to put their wagon more ahead of willow’s, and yet by making this post I make it harder for w!jason to justify voting there.

I’d also argue that I played the last few hours of eod in a very casual manner, townreading ash in 801, reevaluating dia in 960, and not caring that my partner is getting run up by town. By the time I do take a stance on willow vs snow in 1041, willow is already the lead wagon and has claimed, which is too late (lowkey I got bailed out there bc I was preparing to vote snow ggs).

idk how good this towncase actually is since it’s coming from myself and i admit i did push dia over the other wagons bc i thought they were wolfy but it is what it is

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VOTE: ishmael for now, will write a case tmw

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Well done boys! Reading thru eod was a trip. First of all I’ll post a more or less direct translation of The Great Wall just 2 make it fair. Thank u for your patience. Messy read but that’s how it was written. It contains notes I took as I was backreading. Actual and updated conclusions will come in separate post.

Shending – Like that he seems to have reacted to the same thing as me regarding Dias attack towards him. Town indicative! Reacts to the same thing as me about Ash lockV and that hes felt null sf. Agree that jason wouldve just accepted town read from ash as w. Also like that he reacts to Ash’s ”coming across stronger than intented” comment the same way as I, in 207.

Alexis

Youbutworse – liking wolflean on Ash at that point in the game.

Hippo – metadive joke in the beginning genuinely good. Good (towny)? ACTUALLY believe mason claim even tho ive never seen anyone do that before (but turns out to be joke/reference to earlier game according to meow?) Continues to be actually funny, unconcerned about attack from jason but that perhaps wasnt serious? First real read is about Alexis top town. Feels like he’s been joking but chilling and kept track and now has enough info to formulate a real thought. Very good (towny). Also agree that even Ismaels entrance is unhinged if wolf, but not getting why Chomps and Dia are town. But does he think for real that meow is maffia??? Like the question to Alexis about what his meta is, in the middle of the Willow discussion, as if to investigate how legit Alexis’ reading technique actually is in order to apply it to the current question. V!

Chomps – Not super hype on the high/low energy comment about his gameplay. Very quiet but then bang very defensive towards Alexis’ reads. Reasonable to find it annoying but to take it so seriously and interpret it as w, and above all to not having said anything up until then? Reacts only when the attack comes? Strange. But too strange for w itc?? Also I actually understood what Alexis referred to when he meant that Chomps was evil (wolf) for the same reason as Shending. Chomps didn’t get it? Do not like ”i dont have reads, too early to be certain”. Like no nobody asks for certainty. But I suppose it can refer to his opinion on Alexis specifically. 312 feels however decently good (towny).

Meow – asked alexis immediately about ash’s meta – pretty good (towny). Questioning, good. Like earlier wread on Ash. V? Like the remark to Alexis about that they wrote similar to Shending and Chomps and thereby asks if they are not as sus – even though one can play on such a level as mafia of course. Like also in 138 how they immediately explains WHY they agree instead of THAT they agree – like taking it for granted as if it was a totally reasonable feeling. Lock V.

Dia – jokes in the beginning a bit stale, don’t like the tung attack towards Shending. Don’t like i’m scared. Voting shending. I think w. but not w/w with Shending itc? Reaction to Shending 129, is however totally reasonable. Precisely such things that would have pinged me. Kinda like the observation in 174 about Alexis. However in 177 they answers to Shending as if Shending had asked for clarification – which he did not, but he just supported their honesty. Negative interpretation itc, but maybe nai? Tho liking the description – performatively inquisitive, no post can go by without him engaging, because that is very true and reasonable to react on. Like also the thought about possibly changing opinion when I eventually shows up and explains. But then 203 – do not like that sort of baseless position taking when there actually is something to go on. Really like 261, feels very honest and towny and I understand where it comes from. Kiiinda like the comment on Chomps ragebait reaction. Agree that Hippo has been tonally good. 375 is very informative, agree that it puts us back a few steps regarding the Alexis/ubut slot. But square 1? I dunno… Keeps describing my Chomps-feelings well in 385. 390 – also interesting point. Like that Dia puts Ash as w because I experience scepticism towards them both. Why Chomps slightly town?

Jason – week beginning tbh. meow liked ”nope town again” but not I. The reaction to townread from Ash is what I like though. Very good explanation in 179, reasoned deeper than I would expect of w. Believe V!

Ash – Now see how vibe read on jason seems unjustified. But after the examples in 137 I agree on jittery and nervous. The answer to Jasons sussing is good. ”Coming across a lot stronger than intented” is even better. The questioning of Chomps seriousness in 275 is… good also kinda w/v-feeling? Tho liking 284, lies close to my thoughts. Even 285. Like the explanations in 301, but if Shending w then Ash is also that. Wonder how I should think about Ash in posts like 341. Kind of a valid question but also just kind of. Such a small detail to care about. But like 368, encouraging.

Ishmael – acting question is tedious, stale, a joke that becomes bad and forced bc of need to explain before one reveals where it’s going – ”u act? – as acting? – CUS U WOLF BOOM”. Everything about Ash seems based on some gimmick whose origins I just don’t understand or can take seriously. Everything about Shending is… harsh and antagonistic but reasonable from her perspective? All in all not very nutritious. Keep not getting what she refers to sometimes. Comes with a lot of reads in 297 – agree with several and think others are at least reasonable, but like a bit easy. Would also have reacted to the examples in 302 from her perspective - reasonable. 430 – funny enough to be v?

Snow

Willow – Kinda like 361. Hard to say why. It is very direct.

Frostwolf

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fowgiw

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u actually got all that from the Great Wall of Swedish?? I’m impressed, it checks out.

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i wish i was bold enough to do post that as wolf. doubt

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Back to the present. The godklubb is strong in this game! (godklubb/ondklubb – good/bad club – like boxes maybe??)

It contains:

Me
Ash
Dia
Snow
Shending
Hippo
Meow
Jason

Quite amazing that some of u who made me the most unsure turned around completely and are now the safest townies in godklubb just bc of that eod plottwist: Ash, Dia, Snow. Ash is obvs, Dia should be obvs as well (starter of pre claim Willow wagon), and I do not see Snow as w/w with Willow at all. Feels like a stretch to assume.

What I forgot to say about Shending yday was that while the paranoia never completely fades, I was waiting for him to suspect me after my first posts and thankfully he did. If not, I would have 2 assume pocketing. But fn I feel safe, and the town would need a rly bad chain of hangings – sorry, tips to the teachers’ office – for me 2 suspect him being mafia.

Only problem with current godklubb is that poe is looking weak. Mostly low posters left… Feels too easy?? If I must suspect the more active godklubb members it has to be meow and Jason, whom I’ve read strongly as townies so far.

Looking at my meow notes in the Great Wall, they’re not as strong as I remember. Also think the w Snow read is weird but that’s pretty much all about her. I guess it worries me somewhat that others who know her better claim she’s scummy. Don’t care for now.

Feelings for Jason worsened during eod for some reason. Maybe the “towny” comment in #1163 is the sole reason for this. Terrible, that one. Still think all arguments for my original town read are holding up. Reading up on today, some comment I don’t remember made me think: Jason/Ish v/w? In an unspecified order? Yes very exciting thought I know.

Speaking of Ish, she is the one person most firmly in ondklubb. Have not liked the way she points with her whole hand to her own preestablished explanations for why she said or did one thing or another. Seen it a lot in both eod and today.

Would vote for her but 2 of u got there first and the mere existence of a hammer frightens me, so I shall instead instigate a counterwagon with the second member of ondklubb.

In today’s episode of How to Catch a Lesbian:

VOTE: Chomps

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IF i understand Frost correctly it is only bc meow basically translated the argument in some post way back. … So this thing that we apparently dont know anything about called Zenon’s law means that in a wagon situation like this there has to be a wolf involved? Either some1 voting or the one being voted? And bc the others are town and it’s a “pure wagon” that means the wolf is u? …No makes no sense like why are we talking about bussing then? It SEEMS that your wolf status is based on the others being town but in all interpretations of this the assumption is that u r wolf?? But i got the impression that he wanted u to make wolfcases for one of the wagoners in order to clear yourself.

@meow - u at least pretended to understand, can u help?

If this type of reasoning has led him to consistently good results before then at least i’m extremely fascinated by Frost as a character.

No matter, Shending still v bc of reasoning and all that.

ofc if chomps actually flips w then perhaps i will have to assume alexis was an all knowing magician and vote for him…

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unrelated but it does amuse me that we’ve basically just all assumed gummy is town and forgotten she’s in this game (I think she’s probably town)

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These are the two slots i am pushing lol

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this is good bc I noticed the same :)

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yeah I meant tunneling in the “wrongly sussing” sense

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