UFO Sighting Main Thread - Game Over (Aliens Win.)

[Magnus]

@Leafia

Hopefully that’s not the case. I’m getting good vibes from CRich and min at the moment too since they both seem pretty relaxed in the thread. What do you think Achro?

Would Leafia be so bold to mention both her teammates in a positive light in her third post?

[Magnus]

@Leafia

How is OMGUSing a pressure vote at all villagery? Have you ever seen a villager do so? Because I haven’t. Which is why it came across as scummy to me. Then he started misrepresenting what I was saying, which didn’t help either because I found that to be very wolfy behavior.

In fact, I have an idea. Remember that kingmaker thing you mentioned in Morbtainado Achro?

@Leafia

Fair enough. I propose we do that here. With me as the kingmaker thing. If I don’t end up voting out a wolf today, I won’t even fight my execution tomorrow. I’ve grown confident enough in my reads to take that gamble. Not 100% set on Magnus at the moment, but he’s definitely a candidate.

Remember this? Good times, when Leafia was feeling desperate to get me executed D1 and dropped it entirely later.

[Magnus]

@Gyrlander

MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

You literally made an uber post explaining that Magnus twisted your words and lied to push and vote you and now you say “oh yeah he cased me hard” and unvote.

LMAO

Why did we execute Gyr?

[Magnus]

@Leafia

@Magnus

I don’t especially scumread Alana, I was just trying to play fair. And it’s important to branch out and interact with different people.

That’s fair enough. Neither do I, but something seems off about her and I want to figure out why.

@Leafia

Can’t sleep and the way I see it, there’s a lot of potentially good info lynches out there.

These especially would give everyone useful info: Litten, me, Alana, Neon, Jarek, and Magnus.

The only one that wouldn’t give me any new info is an execution on me, because I already know 100% that I’m a villager, but no one else can know that for a certainty as s long as I’m alive. The only real reason I’m against getting misexed this game is loving the flavor so I don’t really want to die early on and my role being a pretty useful one. Although me gett I’ll ng misexed wouldn’t be the worst thing that could happen.

Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da
Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya-da
Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da
Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya

Never mentions Alana again before changing her vote.

@Leafia

@Achromatic

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

Some require the exact role name though. I’ve been scum in at least one game like that.

I’m going to read up on every mention of anti-claim in the thread. I don’t think anti-claim exists, but I’d like to confirm it isn’t TMI.

[Magnus]

@Neon

@CRichardFortressLies

Anti-claim is something I’ve seen more often than not in mafia games.

I’m begging to be day killed d1 using a confirmed role in the game. Do you truly believe my claim is fake?

@CRichardFortressLies

Mind you this is the 1st time I’ve played in a Zorvo hosted game, so it might not be a thing. Yet it’s good to beware of possible anti-claim.

@Achromatic

Game of 14 probably doesn’t have anti claim its pretty small tbh

@Neon

@CRichardFortressLies

I’m leaning no, if your claim is what I think it is.

My claim is pretty obvious. I’d argue it makes you slightly more sus to try to argue that I’m possibly lying at all.

@Achromatic

crich does like arguing about obv town as scum it is true

@CRichardFortressLies

Read above, scum might have anti-claim.

@Achromatic

anti claim refers to things like getting an extra free kill if someone is claimed or a strongman etc

@CRichardFortressLies

In that case, the cat is out of the bag already.
Once you let the cat out, it’s awfully hard to put it back in yes?

…

@Litten

I’ll be the Guinea pig to see if there are anti claim mechanics in this game, also just to avoid any unfortunate night actions

I’m the town malfunctioning nexus
If I’m targeted at night by a non killing action, there’s a 50% that it is redirected to a different player.

@Achromatic

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

@Leafia

@Achromatic

Most anti claim mechanics only require general info for role so there is no role to fish from neon tbh

Some require the exact role name though. I’ve been scum in at least one game like that.

I see two plausible possibilities.

1. Anticlaim exists as part of an arsonist factional kill, hence why Neon and Achro were specifically killed. I don’t know how that’d work, since Achro didn’t see any visits n1, and while it might make up for the low player count, if you needed claims to kill, why bring up the possibility of anti-claim? If it’s a ninja visit, that’d be false info. I don’t think this is the case.
2. Anticlaim doesn’t exist, and this was just a lie. Since we didn’t initially know what the factional kill would be, I could see evils planning to spread those false ideas. It might have been spontaneous, actually: CRichard could’ve brought it up, and Leafia responded a while later.

Forget about anti-claim.

[Magnus]

Here’s what I’m thinking: I’ve confbiased myself into believing a factional arsonist exist. That’s why I’m not especially worried about dying tonight.
However, it’s important to remember “factional arsonist” is by no means confirmed, since Min claimed the Litten shot. It’s possible Aliens holstered, failed or simply couldn’t kill the previous two nights, for whatever reason.

@Jarek

I looked it up

@KingTroll

Mafia can withhold their kills for as long as the cannoneer is alive and can use multiple saved nightkilled at once

Let’s think about this world for a change.
If three kills were saved, and Min is Town, exactly Rad and I would’ve been attacked. Since I claimed immune, this wouldn’t have happened. Forget this idea.
If three kills were saved, and Min is evil; Neon, Litten and Rad were attacked. This does make enough sense, even if I stopped a kill you’d be fine.

Oh yeah, redirector!FRink theory’s a bust with Rad’s moderror being resolved.

[Magnus]

I’m changing gears for a Cannoneer world for a short while.
It’s mechanically similar to an arsonist, although alongside a poisoner it’s significantly better than an arsonist.
(Since KT would have to be Town in a cannoneer world, nobody could be evil except Min in that case, this wouldn’t be a TMI case. This also isn’t an especially likely world, although I’m very glad someone else bothered to bring up alternative factional kills.)

…Although if there’s any delayed factional kill version, Arsonist or Cannoneer or whatever, I’d want to think evils are in a bad spot. Even someone like Alana could wait, they’d survive another day for sure.

Min would have to use the ability no matter what.
FRink’s in a poor spot.
KT might have felt pressured enough to kill.

…Hmm. @Jarek @Rad: out of the four other players in the POE, which one of them would you believe is most likely Town?

[Magnus]

I don’t believe in a bulletproof Alien.

Execute FRink, they’re more suspicious than KT.
Have Min take aim at KT.
I (unloyal) go on Min.
Jarek attacks Alana.

If KT lives, we kill Min.
If KT dies… and the game doesn’t end, that is, I think we just lose, ngl.

That’s scary.

[Magnus]

This theoretically could’ve been a disaster, although I feel that way about every rolemadness.
Now Leafia can’t hold Flicker and ‘80s over my head, not that she really was anyway.

Someone remind me to post the poem summarising my ability I wrote, in postgame.

[Magnus]

…I hardclaim Alien. Why’s the thread so silent, is everyone asleep?

[Jarek]

I just woke up right now

[Jarek]

@Magnus

If KT dies… and the game doesn’t end, that is, I think we just lose, ngl.

how would we just lose

[Jarek]

LIke if we think we’re just gonna lose why would we ever do that

[Magnus]

I’m good, I think you’re good, I think Rad’s good, in that case Min would be hardcleared, everyone else would be dead. So it’s just… what happened?

[Magnus]

I don’t think that’s possible, of course, but it’d still be chaotic.

[Magnus]

I’m gonna head to sleep, I think. I’ll be online before the Min deadline if that’s what we’re going with, otherwise we could enjoy the other 24 hours.

[Jarek]

I like the idea of shooting frink/ahana more because neither of them can lie about being shot they will just drop dead we will know for a fact they were shot with Min shooting kingtroll there’s an air of uncertainty

if you’re evil for whatever reason Min is your next target with a kingtroll shot and that’s paranoia 1000 but anything that leaves anything to “maybe this happened instead” is a world I don’t like.

[Jarek]

Maybe I think my way of solving is better because I thought of it but if you think about it

Min - dead
Kingtroll - dead
Magnus or me - Mafia killed
Ahana/Frink - dead

left:
rad
Ahana/Frink
Magnus/Me

I mean at that point if you really trust Rad so much then if you live you should know exactly who it is and if I’m alive then sell me on why trusting rad is a good idea

[Jarek]

hmmmmmmmmmm…

I could shoot Frink or Alana while Min shoots kingtroll.

I’ll do Frink since Alana was ascetic, in that world. Just to be absolutely sure.

[Jarek]

In that world I wouldn’t mind no-voting. Even if mafia makes a kill and we vig 2 town in that scenario the solo mafia we can’t lose.