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[Lemonfairy]

@RetrogradeDusk

Arctic
Lemonfairy
tutuu
Garfooled
Chomps

May
Frostwolf103
eaves
BlackCat

pandora
whatdafucc
bystander
Hippopablompoyeetus
potatocat

Probably. BlackCat is also possibly under my radar and I might be clearing Eaves too easily.

wait a sec, @RetrogradeDusk why do you have gar so high if it’s a sheeped townread?

@RetrogradeDusk

I’m sheeping on Gar town so hopefully I can trust it.

also can you explain why you townread chomps?

[potatocat]

What’s semi-realtime recount is believably the performance I’d come to expect from a lost town. His absent reasoning is a little difficult to follow, his readlist is arbitrary at points, calling for some additional emphasis @whatdafucc.

[potatocat]

Frost is borderline proven scum if he’s not intending to meet his promise of raising hellfire. He’s a polarised slot and is capable of more.

[Lemonfairy]

@potatocat

Hippo is >rand town. Missing Pandora in his mass-vote when her name isn’t last is a careless mistake if partnered. No matter if his opener were presigned.

first post that pinged me
don’t really believe this or I think it’s overstated

@potatocat

Chomps is >rand wolf in turn. Scrawling each name’s first letters requires a deft touch to avoid errors.

@potatocat

Their slot treatments maintains my impression. Chomps furthered the same bit and didn’t branch out with new behaviours in a natural manner. Displaying combativeness towards Cat and May could swing either way. Still, Hippo reads better in contrast. Moving on from this topic.

I think the stiffness of tone is what is throwing me off

@potatocat

May’s laundry opener harbors low expectations. Their outline on Tutuu and the benchmark total is meant to feel enthusiastic and sudden, in turn.

@potatocat

Reads towny if you look no further, like Tutuu who assigned motivation as sufficient. I find May’s scale fickle w/o knowing how those numbers are decided. Avoiding reads with anyone spare Tutuu, even if pointless, feels at odds with that supposed enthusiasm.

actually, the content is not bad if I can ignore the way they’re presented

@potatocat

By’s May!vote meant none of this, so Tutuu’s townread on Bys is odd. Tutuu’s boredom opener explains both those townreads. I don’t rly scumread any of youse but the logic is weird.

@potatocat

Idc how Pandora flips for Hippo’s opener. Her name isn’t last in the pl so I think he copied it twice scrolling down. If he were more careful as evil, it’d be fixed despite her role color.

not sure how much I buy this
I think hippo is town regardless tho

@potatocat

Bys’ attachment to May is visible right away. Fixing upon a vying leader is a w!Bys behavior, I don’t rly like that. Someone who knows her better should take point

hmmm

@potatocat

BC’s vote shield is a twinge. Nothing else rlly stands out from their msgs tho, being a new-site motivated player is a good sign if kept up.

Retrograde’s quiet joke + question opener is textbook.
VOTE: Retrograde

hmmm

@potatocat

I wouldn’t answer earnestly if I were.

is this an earnest answer tho?

@potatocat

Eaves is theoretically town. Specifically the villager archetype who’s difficult to reason with, unapologetically so. Which in general crosses as that villager impression who’ll be framed lategame.

I already commented on this

@potatocat

I don’t hold that feeling. Gar didn’t stick to criticising Tutuu’s grounds until satisfied. She prodded a few then regretfully backed down. It’s boldly outspoken befuddlement.

fair

@potatocat

Frostwolf answered Hippo quickly after a 12 hr hiatus. Suggests cursory check-ins w/o having anything to say. It’s better to shade this now so he speaks up more.

meh

@potatocat

I’ll take it under advisement. Gar hasn’t played on-site for a while so your memories are more recent. I’d welcome if you could share the relevant anecdotes

@potatocat

Frost responded 5ish mins afterward. He otherwise hasn’t spoken since dawn except for one message. It’s a noteworthy exchange and eying Frost will likely make him emerge from the rafters.

yah, still don’t like this tone

@potatocat

VOTE: Frostwolf103
I think you’re a beta wolf, but you can have the space to finagle a position for yourself. Hoping for some data. Have fun, sincerely.

not w/w

@potatocat

Replace that level of confidence with a rand slant between those two and you’re nearer to my train of thought. It was a comparative read and nowhere near substantive for a committed scumread either way, I wouldn’t really say Chomps -is- evil for that reason. Rather it’d make more sense if they were in contrast.

Chomps hasn’t much inspired me after that. They more or less admitted their dedicated pushes are to manufacture towniness. That’s scummy in a vacuum but the push itself is ordinary for v!Chomps so it’s not something I want to pursue this sec.

this post pinged me somewhat

@potatocat

BlackCat could be scummy if Retrograde flips scum and Bys is town. This comment draws credit for the wagon, and their vote moved to May and Frostwolf shortly afterward. Their readlist didn’t include Retrograde so it wasn’t a case of having a new townread. Feels like a valid partnership.

oh maybe I like this

@potatocat

What - absent, altho not universally voted as a result so not innately confirmed town by omission. Ignoring for the moment.
Bystander, Blackcat, Retrograde - the first two are a difference check against w!Retro, Blackcat could be partnered with Retro but Bys isn’t. Nobody here’s really that eye-catching, any of those three could be evil and it’d work.
Arctic, Tutuu - Both have demonstrated their reading ability on one another before in the past so they’re fine to leave with one another. Arctic trusts Tutuu outright and Tutuu’s unsure of Arctic, so they likely aren’t partnered.
Hippo - Likely town just from the disgruntlement about the rand-town read alone.
Frostwolf, Garfooled, Chomps, Eaves, Pandora - Probably unfair to sort Garfooled here, given Tutuu’s read, I’m just not impressed by anyone else here. These players have surface reads and could resolve either way if you discount meta. Mostly one-note save Gar, never getting nightkilled and unlikely to resolve themselves.
May - Self-resolvable by measurement of motivation. v!May will either pursue correct leads like a dog chasing a bone or die. w!May would defend their other wolves to the bitter end. Not really worth scrutinising until after a couple flips.
Lemon - combative and argumentative, seemed briefly pure earlier but you’re also not fighting and just expressing annoyance against Tutuu. You’re both unpartnered.

Unordered and of no significance.

this was lol
already addressed pretty much so not going to say anything here

yeah ok, I can see this being town

[potatocat]

@BlackCat

@Lemonfairy i have to disappoint you, I wanted to come back with a solid case but I did not made it. I sat yesterday to midnight at my phone scrolling throw every post (the isolation feature is great thank for the tip) to make a rock solid case. But as more I tried to build something, it was more try hard then a good read.

Most players I know wouldn’t be candid like this. Call it culture shock.

[May]

VOTE: pandora
VOTE: what
VOTE: eaves

[potatocat]

@Arctic

so what exactly is there to agree with? may being scary and chomps aggressively trying to kill potatocat because they’re an unoutted alt?

Here’s a good callout, tho. I think I can follow a heat map of What’s thoughts, if jumping from v!Chomps to w!May and just agreeing with Chomps on everything makes sense. It’s a parasitic position to take.

[Lemonfairy]

@Chomps

no

no

@Chomps

VOTE: what VOTE: pot VOTE: bysta VOTE: arc VOTE: tut VOTE: hip VOTE: fro VOTE: garf VOTE: cho VOTE: ma VOTE: ret VOTE: eav VOTE: pan VOTE: bla VOTE: lem

@Chomps

hippo mason with me this could be us

chomps funny

@Chomps

I’m merlin the evil team is black cat potato cat and garfooled

where did this read come from? @Chomps

@Chomps

hold up VOTE: Blackcat

@Chomps

@BlackCat unvote me

this was a cross vote

@Chomps

VOTE: what VOTE: pot VOTE: bysta VOTE: arc VOTE: tut VOTE: hip VOTE: fro VOTE: garf VOTE: ma VOTE: ret VOTE: eav VOTE: pan VOTE: bla VOTE: lem

@Chomps

VOTE: w VOTE: po VOTE: by VOTE: a VOTE: t VOTE: h VOTE: f VOTE: g VOTE: m VOTE: r VOTE: e VOTE: pa VOTE: bl VOTE: l

@Chomps

VOTE: what VOTE: pot VOTE: bysta VOTE: arc VOTE: tut VOTE: hip VOTE: fro VOTE: garf VOTE: ma VOTE: ret VOTE: eav VOTE: pan VOTE: bla VOTE: lem

is this ISO going to get more unhinged?

@Chomps

may scares me

@Chomps

i just have high paranoia on very good wolf slots

ok

@Chomps

@bystander would you vote potatocat for me?

@Chomps

22 could you vote potatocat for me please?

@Chomps

trust me

@Chomps

also their reads are bad

fair, actually

@Chomps

yeah it is day 1 don’t worry tutsie

@Chomps

No I just want to kill them

lol

@Chomps

Do you not have fun beating up pinatas?

@Chomps

Besides, they’ve kept the special prowess of being 100% wrong when reading me over all games

@Chomps

we’re playing mafia tutuu day 1 is rvs wild wild west!

@Chomps

@RetrogradeDusk you should vote potatocat with me nodnod

@Chomps

VOTE: Potato

chomps is too convincing, I wanna back out of my townlean on potatocat

@Chomps

What did you townread from potatocat?

@Chomps

what did you townread from gar either tutuu?

@Chomps

I’m also omgusing them

valid

@Chomps

it’s not just being an alt

@Chomps

I’ve given my reason, omgus is my strat even on mu

@Chomps

or misremembering, I don’t go on all out pushes like this as wolf on mu turbos beacuse it is incredibly risky rvs stage or not

self-meta but true

@Chomps

turbo mu wolf me tries to appear pure and soft or do a fancy play, actually I do remember omgusing as wolf once, but that’s beacuse the person was tunneling me

@Chomps

@eaves can i exert my lock town status and ask you to vote potatocat?

@Chomps

@Hippopablompoyeetus you too, vote potato and help unclutter the vote tab and I can listen to you later as epic masons

@Chomps

arctic scares me based on the pfp he’s using, if MU catboy in a box, scared, the current fol one, calm

??

@Chomps

frost can you vote potatocat d1 with me please?

@Chomps

oh you’re atlas¿ UNVOTE

@Chomps

i lied VOTE: potatocat

lmao

@Chomps

@whatdafucc I need a towny contribution from you to VOTE POTATOCAT 2025!

@Chomps

@Lemonfairy could you vote potatocat with me pretty please?

@Chomps

VOTE: Hippo

@Chomps

VOTE: potat

10/10 ISO

do agree it’d be wild to come from a wolf
there’s no content here that I would townread but I think I just kinda vibe with the ISO

[Lemonfairy]

may, anything you wanna say besides votes?

[potatocat]

@Lemonfairy

can you explain why you think this?

I don’t necessarily still believe it. BlackCat tried taking credit for voting Retrograde without still voting them, in a way I could see as aligned. I had a social reason to call Bys and Retrograde a difference check, but looking back I can’t find it.

There’s also the case of Bys gaslighting BlackCat early on about NAI meaning something different, which felt troll-like but probably doesn’t mean anything on its own.

[potatocat]

@Chomps

oh no yeah they wolf read me at the start of dya 1

You said there was something else when Tutuu asked.

[potatocat]

@Lemonfairy

I think the stiffness of tone is what is throwing me off

If my tone is irritating pls let me know. If your concern is if I sound natural but not necessarily suspicious, set it aside for your own sake. It’s easier that way.

[Lemonfairy]

it’s not that your tone is irritating, but the way you say things is fairly formal and wordy that it’s hard to parse your natural tone, which is one of the things I rely on more in the early stages of a game
there’s a layer of artificiality that comes with that kind of posting style, which I tend to wolfread

[eaves]

VOTE: Garfooled

[Lemonfairy]

I think you’ve stopped doing it as much now tho

[Frostwolf103]

@potatocat

Frost is borderline proven scum if he’s not intending to meet his promise of raising hellfire. He’s a polarised slot and is capable of more.

You havent proved anything, thats why I am voting you. I dont take insults.

[Frostwolf103]

That you’re so convinced I am scum the way I responded to you is out of place.

[potatocat]

You misread what I said. I called you out for popping your head in without incident. In the time past you’ve done so repeatedly. You’ve been called out by others. A far cry from promising to go all out. https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/zugbots-multivote-mountainous-day-1-15-15/12248/433

[Lemonfairy]

@Arctic

As fun as the multivote feature is I question how much it will actually help us win compared to wolves

The wolf team may not necessarily contain a LHF that everyone is happy shrug killing at any random moment. But town is basically guaranteed to have players like this. So if people use their multivote on players in this way, wolves can pretty much always guarantee a wolf doesn’t die even if they have to openwolf with their votes a bit

So my suggestion is that people just put their money where their mouth is and don’t shrug vote multiple people. It’s worse if you’re wrong sure but I think it’s less obfuscating on future days to backread and harder for wolves to play around

pro-town
honestly don’t think I need to do this ISO because Arctic is obvtowning IMO but I’ll do it for comprehensiveness

@Arctic

i don’t think i understand what you’re saying here unless these statements in each post are unrelated - is hippo towny because of the list thing? that was my impression but in the chomps post you call him a wolf presumably for that same thing otherwise i’m confused why you mentioned him not making any mistakes

idk, this is kinda meh on reread lol

@Arctic

from what ive read so far may and tutuu are almost certainly town

tutuu has like. a particular way of making reads when he rands town where you can tell it’s premature and he knows it too but he can’t stop himself having the thought which means the reasoning he gives after it ends up coming out in some elaborate or whimsical form which is what he’s been doing here. i can see him slipping back into old habits by jumping the gun on some of his reads. wolves don’t make reads without being able to explain them - it’s just evidence that the thoughts he’s having are genuine and he’s not burdened by TMI

may is town because the way in which he was tryharding in the first 100 posts isn’t really how wolves do it. he was forcing himself to make reads on basically every single interaction he thought was relevant rather than being more selective with what to push and he didn’t make any attempt to build bridges or avoid alienating people, which even if not intentionally done as mafia is something that wolves do inadvertently. i think tutuu described it better, but he’s playing to get night killed, serious tryhard mode, in spite of what he said about relying on me to explain why he hasn’t been nightkilled if he were wolfing, i think that the way he’s playing… wouldn’t really be sustainable as wolf. if he kept it up, that is, which idk yet

i haven’t caught up so i don’t know if these really needed explaining but i thought it’d be best to nip anything here in the bud

fair

@Arctic

so chomps is a wolf just because his post was less towny in comparison to hippo’s? or he is a wolf because he copied hippo’s shtick

misread probably

@Arctic

i’m pretty suspicious of lemonfairy because “your solve is too easy” comment directed towards may

this is a pretty reductive assessment but if i give lemon the benefit of the doubt i can see this coming from a villager who is paranoid of or suspecting the thread leaders, but this isn’t the case because lemon reads both may and tutuu as town like 30 posts later, so unless those reads were fully developed in that time then it seems strange for a villager who is town reading the active posters to think the game is hard

half of me does believe her when she says she’d post townier as wolf because ive seen it for myself but i also think she’d post townier as town so i guess it’s nullified

also a misread lol

@Arctic

nbow do you have any reads for us

they’re not in the game, right?

@Arctic

okay i see
this is more a comment on playstyle but i feel reading people by comparisons like this is prone to going wrong quite easily. i can pick two towny players and say one is townier in the way they go about doing something than the other one, but it doesn’t necessarily make the other one scum because both players are towny. so i find the utility of such reads somewhat questionable. if you have had good results making reads in this way then feel free to ignore me but it’s just food for thought

as for chomps i can see what you’re getting at. he is hard to read because of precisely what you mentioned, he does things that he doesn’t believe in even as town just for the sake of it. the randomly hardpushing on someone for nebulous reasons is a staple of his play as both alignments so it’s hard to get much out of it which you recognize

first part, I don’t like
second part, don’t really like either
not sure this post says anything? (idk, maybe I’m being too harsh in reading arctic’s posts)

@Arctic

these votecounts are rather hard to parse

i find potatocat towny based on his comments to me about chomps, i get the impression from the way he speaks about chomps here combined with earlier posts that he is most likely a villager jaded/disillusioned with the way chomps is playing rather than being opportunistic about it - he points out that chomps is doing a level 1 wolfy behaviour with the tunnel and making posts to look towny but he recognizes that it’s in his town range so he isn’t interested in pursuing it even though it’s something on his mind rather than actually leveraging it into a push

i tend to avoid making reads on people by interacting with them directly because i find my accuracy decreases the more i become part of the narrative, but i feel a bit more willing to experiment just cuz i haven’t played on fol in a while and i’ve been playing a lot of light games before now, so we’ll see how it goes

fair
very self-reflective, which is NAI tbh

@Arctic

if that didn’t actually happen then that’s pretty funny but i just took that at face value because i’m not caught up and people don’t tend to lie about verifiable information regardless of alignment

arctic not reading thread closely part 3?

@Arctic

i felt like in isolation retrograde’s response to may’s suspicion and vote on them + peace out was towny

my issue is that they claim to have 3 years experience and i don’t really think this is how a villager with that mafia maturity would have handled it? there isn’t really any attempt to be diplomatic in spite of how the thread is reading may

but like does a wolf with 3 years of experience do that either? lmao. wolves are often more diplomatic than villagers

i am opening this one to the floor

helpful post i know

I kind of like this

@Arctic

by the way my first post was a joke and i have deemed it pertinent to clarify after reading that i do not really like these wagons

lol

@Arctic

really? as i’m catching up i feel like there are a number of unreadable blobs who are barely posting anything that can be construed as alignment indicative and i only have like 5 reads

i think this could be because you were here for these posts in real time whereas i was not. when you are in the thread you can easily fall into the trap of townreading people who are live posting with you just by virtue of them not really posting anything pingy and because it… feels right. but when you actually check back you would probably not find much reason to townread those players

you’re probably reading this more correctly than i am because there are only 3 wolves but i do know that i’m not one of them

hard townread this

@Arctic

i did not mean to send that post yet

i am not one of them - so my impression is that you are being too charitable to people who have posted if you are getting the impression that a zero poster is a wolf because of how the thread feels

wait there js literally another zero poster wtf tutuu

lol

@Arctic

it’s in like my first 5 posts sorry i would normally just explain it again but i’ve been playing this entire gsme from mobile so far (TOWN OUTTING BTW) and in lazy

so phone gaming is towny?
why did no one tell me this?

@Arctic

tbh i’m kinda having trouble parsing the game too with like 0.5 wolfreads

this tends to mean i am either townreading the wolves or the wolves just aren’t doing anything and haven’t yet made their alignment clear

but i think it’s less damaging to assume right now at least that it’s the latter rather than cannibalize ourselves

fair

@Arctic

i like how i said it’s better if everyone just casts one vote on their biggest wolfread but i can tell i’m probably just going to end up shrugvoting a bunch of null blobs at eod and hoping someone with more conviction tips the balance

except the people with more conviction will probably be mafia so this does not bode well for us

weird post but ok

@Arctic

VOTE: garfooled

@Arctic

i’m at somewhat of a loss here

i don’t think anyone really sounds wolfy but i don’t think my townreads are wrong either

the game feels very much like a job of sorting the null blobs and finding the villagers in there but it doesn’t really seem doable today with the output people have given and i’m being reminded of why i stopped playing here

i am also unsure how to parse much of or anything that blackcat is saying rn when it feels openly contradictory

i don’t think garfooled’s posts are wolfy i just think her play is wolf shaped currently

is this post a repeat? deja vu?

@Arctic

i was suspicious of gar because of the people who posted her posts felt like they had the highest ratio of trying to look helpful vs actually being helpful

obviously if you don’t take it as a ratio, there were people who contributed around the same amount, but most of those people didn’t actually try to look as though they were contributing

but i didn’t find anything she contributed compelling

the hyperfocus on tutuu for something that seems contradictory but really amounts to nothing, the throwaway comment on blackcat not having done much yet, and the townread on tutuu explained in… that kinda way, are all things that come across as contributive but without really solving

hmmm I think I like this

@Arctic

of these i think bys is town, i don’t really think wolf her just takes the angle of spamming about how bad she is at the game instead of just… playing it and making up some reads which she is capable of as mafia - i also just relate to the struggle in this game specifically because this game feels more unreadable than my recent games and i feel a sense of whiplash almost because i’ve gotten used to more alignment indicative posters on average since i play on MU mostly

i also thought it was towny how she was suspecting me for potentially TMI’ing her when i said her and may was a v/v violence since i never explicitly stated i townread bys

I like this

@Arctic

frostburn does get misvoted a lot for tonal issues so whoever is suspecting them on that basis should be aware of this

really like this

@Arctic

i also want to address this

i remember a recent game where you caught hippo as a wolf for this reasoning. but it just wasn’t true and you got lucky lol. he is capable of potato’ing as town, if he stays as a wet noodle the entire game then i’d be inclined to agree with your read. but it’s never really correct to call him a wolf for not activating and tryharding on day 1. especially in a game with this pace lol

this isn’t really a townread, but rather he isn’t a wolf for what you’re saying

pro-town

yeah, so those are my thoughts on this arctic ISO

[bystander]

ev1 sleeping on naked ally investment eeads