27772nd poster gets a cookie (cookie thread (Part 7)) (Part 10)

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well yeah because in a scholarly sense they do

but in a practical real-world sense you’re getting a more efficient overall car which is really what I was getting at

lmao

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I have spent way too long designing highly-efficient vehicles and am generally going to err on the side of oversimplifying to avoid being that cgp grey meme

fwiw I know nothing about any of these cars but highkey max range is a fake af statistic unless you’re specifically planning to take trips longer than the max range often or if your commute is longer than half the max range and you cannot charge at work

how many days out of the year do you drive more than 200 miles

for the record i have since bought and played deltarune! brand defied!

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like I really love that my car gets well over 600 miles on a single (12-gallon) tank of gas, sure, but does that meaningfully affect my day to day experience with the car?

no

I do take multi-state roadtrips more often than the average american but its still not enough for me to have bought the car specifically for that reason

tl;dr id buy for MPG (or MPG-e) way before I buy for max range

again, unless it would actually impact you regularly

lets goo

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also notably a more efficient car will be able to go farther on the same battery size or gas tank size which is extra important for electric cars because if you have the same max range on half the battery size you’ll (usually) charge way faster (assuming same charge rate)

My wife and I regularly put stuff in the trunk that we don’t want visible to tempt anyone to break into it, and that’s something I’ve been thinking about as something I’ll lose. It’s more convenient for storage, but most of the time I could use my backseat if I wanted convenient to access storage. If we’re taking a long trip (once a year at most), we don’t need access to the luggage in the trunk until we arrive at the destination. When is the marginal utility of the hatchback going to benefit me? I’ve also been thinking about noise potential. If it’s in the trunk, the sounds are muffled because there’s a whole backseat between the cabin and the storage. In a hatchback it’s just open. I also suspect that it takes longer to heat or cool because of the increased cabin space.

So like what am I actually going to get out of the hatchback

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Max range seemed like the best metric for a comparison of aerodynamics since that would likely be highway driving with long stretches where it would actually could be a significant factor and less likely to be dominated by other factors. Again, car idiot so I could be way off.

ye thats fair, idr where you live but for me that is not a concern at all

if it was my car comes with a cover I can just pull over the contents of the trunk and that plus tinted windows (mine are CA-legal so not even that dark) is more than enough to cover that worry

but if you park on the street constantly then i can definitely see why that would factor into things

technically sure but as somebody who lives in arizona the difference on a modern car with a good-quality AC is negligible

I don’t worry about it all that much, but my wife does, so I need to consider it. She recently sold her car, so it needs to fit her needs too.

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assuming you normalized for battery capacity that would be true (if you again take my own earlier shorthand of “aerodynamics” as including stuff like weight)

So one reason I went with max range is you had just said that like EMPG was fake a post before lol, but yeah okay let me go back and find that number for the same vehicles.

it’s fake for determining car “aerodynamics” (used as a blanket term to encompass things like weight that affect the car’s overall efficiency when driving) relative to a gas-powered car

ie comparing an EV’s MPG-e to a gas car’s MPG is going to be an accurate reflection of how much less energy an electric car is using, but I just think that in most cases that’s not actually that useful of a metric

comparing MPG-e between electric cars is valid though in the same way comparing MPG between gas cars is valid

the issue is that even an inefficient EV is going to have higher MPG-e than a really efficient ICE car just down to the fact that you aren’t exploding gasoline to make it go (which is a pretty inefficient process)

so the difference across those ranges is largely down to the inherent inefficiency of internal combustion rather than down to the design of the car