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You have bean ricocheted (Day 3)

Sniffles The Anteater have been paranoid from his neighbors and have made his house into death trap for those who dare enter and only leave to buy essential purchases, he wouldn’t imagined that he has been watched by some animal glowing red eyes in the distant, was this Marshal The Sheep? That remains to be seen.

You are now at the front door and you’re standing on door mat as you reach to hold on the door knob and twist in order to open the door and you feel something sharp have just touched and prickled into one of your fingers, feeling dizzy as little blood stream out from the finger and something else is flowing that must have felt like nerve agent to make you go numb and you lose consciousness

You wake up in the same night and you are now in a room you do not recognize at first, but you can’t put a finger on whose owner of this house is, something flashing at the opposite direction and you see the television springs to live with nothing but static and white noise and then you see a masked animal that is wearing a full bodysuit whom you can’t recognize on color of the fur, this animal now speaks in muffled voice that sounds altered unable to tell from male or woman voice.

“Hello Sniffles, I want you to play a game. In this room, you are in spinning tunnel and everything you see like cabinets, tables, chairs, paintings-- just about anything really…these furniture and other household items will be used to ricochet you. In order to escape from this death trap there is a key hidden somewhere in this room.”

You are getting more sober from strong anaesthetic agent and you begin by searching the cabinets, most of them are empty but one particular are filled and stacked neatly from brown beans cans, the muffled voice continues speaking

“You are genius inventor but you lack the common sense to not foresee the consequences for these creations have caused pain and even death among your friends, but each time they die they wont remember what you have accomplished, here’s the little hint of seeking the key…you have the food, but where is the can opener?”

You are now realizing that the room is now starting to spin slowly and this disorient your hand-to-eye coordination and feet placements, this spinning tunnel is going faster and you start to get worried, you checked behind the tv there’s nothing, you check the huge wardrobe and you find clothes that gives you clue that this belonged to someone you know, are they responsible of kidnapping you? Likely, but you must live to tell the animals about the truth, his life first! The bean cans starting to fall off from the cabinet and the spinning tunnel are accelerating to lose yourself to feel dizzy and you could notice something glimming out by the exit-- is it a can opener? Why yes it is, but to reach there it’s stuck on the ‘ceiling’

One of the Bean Cans starting to hit you hard due to velocity and speed this spinning tunnel gives, and you know this will only get worse as the room becomes more and more unrecognizable, you try to reach for the can opener but it’s stuck on the wall with superglue, the flashing tv also turned off from that moment as the hints are already given and how much of society menace that Sniffles is to the community.

Your frail physique build wouldn’t able to budge the can opener and you eventually lose balance to be taken away like a river current, unable to swim away in mid-air…more bean cans are ejected from the cabinet until there’s nothing left, ricocheting all over your body and eventually this hit deeper and more deeper into the flesh. The bean cans getting scratched on the edges by top and bottom against the walls, the edges become more sharper after each abuse and surprisingly wouldn’t crumble–and then one cuts right through the flesh on your side, and then through your stomach, another gap through your side, losing your limbs and two cans comes straight for your eye sockets…and that moment, you can’t register pain anymore as you are dead from that moment.

By the dawn, the animals in the mayor’s house conference room notice Sniffles failed to show up however the news by the police officers are able to find the mutilated body of Sniffles in his home from what he’s killed with blunt force and bean cans cutting cleaning through the body, the death toll is piling up.

death animation

Vulgard has died at Night 2! He is...

Day 3 has started and last for 48 hours!

2022-07-14T20:00:00Z→2022-07-16T20:00:00Z

[ElizaThePsycho]

first

[WindwardAway]

Well that’s embarrassing, I spent the entire night tinfoiling Vulgard guess I don’t have to worry about that anymore.

[ElizaThePsycho]

you guys suck at not hammering

[WindwardAway]

Yeah I know

[Achromatic]

Its my birthday so i wont be around much. I will grab a part of my journal for today and then catch up when i can.

[Achromatic]

Actually i will just all of it to make windy feel better for tinfoiling

[WindwardAway]

Do you want my journal too lol

[WindwardAway]

Windward's logs

Updated Logs:

tl;dr - Vulgard/Plague/Eliza? don’t sheep this I’m trying to think out loud
Highest 3p equity is then pigeon and maybe beancat

I left my legacy in the thread but I have something to add to it that I didn’t say before hammer but probably shouldve.

I wanted to say I’d knock Vulgard out of my townreads if Brad flipped town, specifically because after we all jumped on the Brad wagon Vulgard kind of lowered his activity. While I’m aware it could be NAI I do think it unfortunately means I have to retract the clear on him. Idk if I can get through his ISO before SoD but I’ll track how far I get in my logs. There is ONE thing I noticed about Vulgard on D1 that I didn’t want to mention until I could see if it changed, and it hasn’t so I will say it here: Vulgard, despite taking a bit of a backseat on D2, has not felt like he was dead inside. He felt like he was actually trying to get us to examine his reads and give feedback. This is NOT the same thing as solving - this is very possibly a subtle way to push agenda, by letting other town be loud and wrong and amplify his “reads” for him. He looked OK enough from the Marl stuff but was mostly lock clear if Brad flipped wolf, and Brad did not flip wolf. Watch Vulgard closely, please.

I think as town, Wazza is capable of reevaluating Brad correctly, so she did not necessarily have tmi. Still think Marl stuff points to her being town. Also her backtracking of a soft defense of Brad was towny, where she said she could’ve sworn Brad said the exact same thing when he was town in a previous game, then found the source and he was scum so she said never mind and just blast him lol. I know which game she was referring to, so she was definitely not making that progression up, and it’s towny.

Achro probably still town, I don’t think there’s any way he’s wolfing even if we collectively fucked up on Brad and he realized too late that Brad was town. Also the whole thing with Achro theorizing that the doctor would have been on him and not Illwei… it’s self-centered in a towny way. I can’t see a wolf saying that lol. I can’t see a neut saying that either. It’s something only town would even think of, as stupid as it sounds.

Illwei didn’t say much about Brad, can’t really get much from that, but I do believe Brad was correct on her meta so she’s likely still town. I wouldn’t push there unless I find a good reason to. Idk how she would play as a neut but I kinda doubt she’d post so much at the start of the game…? Dumb read, but yeah. I also vaguely remember Vulgard(?) trying to take Illwei out of the towncore so yeah, maybe you can inference from that.

Leafia probably town, I came around to thinking Marl wasn’t trying hard enough to “bus” her and voted Wazza instead. Considering how the last game went where Marl/Leafia wolfed together, I think if she were a wolf he’d push her directly rather than trying to pair her with Wazza and pushing Wazza. And in this case I should probably reconsider Eliza.

Zone is always town, he isn’t scum and he isn’t 3p, don’t yeet him even if he tries to yeet himself. Thanks in advance lol.

Beancat is never a wolf but I can’t clear her from being a neut. Last time I saw her play as a neut, she just sort of existed and didn’t really do much solving, but she still vibed and did some stuff. Apparently she wanted a chill game and since she had the opportunity not to have to worry about solving, she took it (and I was also a neut in that game and did the same thing tbh).

Don’t touch Plague quite yet unless you have hard mech on them. I want to see how the Pigeon slot pans out before doing anything about Plague. If pigeon is scum, Plague is town.

Pigeon/Alice I’d reevaluate after the mess with the Brad misyeet. Wary of the slot for sure, but don’t want to rush into tunnelling and turboing another townie, so I’ll take my time on that. I am tempted to let Pigeon have the chance self-resolve because there is no way people leave him alive if he fails to self-resolve (and yes, this has to do with Alice generally having much more thread pull than pigeon).

Hippo, I think Achro is probably still correct on, but if Hippo is town and Pigeon is town/neut, I believe Vulgard is a wolf just by process of elimination. I’m running out of slots to wolfread. In this world I would probably through Plague back into the wolfteam since w!Alice wouldn’t push for a zeroposting wolf to die, and Vulgard said he wanted to wait for the slot to be replaced or do something (which I would expect him to say normally, but especially about a zeroposting partner). Another thing is that the first clear on Eliza came from Vulgard, so even though I agreed with that one specific reason he pointed out for Eliza being town, if Vulgard is a wolf then Eliza I’d much less metacleared because then it’s only me vouching for her slot, and I want to reevaluate if I’m alive.

Also, Brad, I’m really sorry!! Wazza was right about it being DADV, I just thought the way you came back and started trying to save your slot was exactly what you did in SCP FM (and I guess that actually means your town and wolf games are closer than I thought lol). I also thought about the Illwei save, and while it wasn’t the route I would’ve gone, it actually does make sense because I don’t think anyone was really scumreading or pushing Illwei by the end of the day, and assuming she isn’t scum she had decent factional kill equity, more than I initially thought.

BTW eevee was incorrect about how Mayor works. I can’t turn my double-vote on or off; it’s silent and it’s always on. I got into the thread 15 min after Seth accidentally hammered because I didn’t actually think you guys would put Marl at L-1 so I didn’t unvote. But yeah, this is why I said some of what eevee said was just speculation. Also there isn’t a second Mayor in this game, just like there isn’t a second vig. Mayor is confirmable so it should be incredibly obvious if anyone fakeclaims it.

Mining Vul’s ISO:

Post #507 - Vulgard and Wazza probably not w/w (check his other posts on Wazza and then compare them to Marl’s)

Post #588 - the spoiler at the bottom, see my comment above on Wazza, also look at Vuls other reads here

Post #590 - Well, that aged well… What am I supposed to make of this? It’s a bit awkward for Vulgard to just agree with his wolf partner’s PoE so probably town points for this

To be continued later

It’s dumb and most of it is useless cause Vulgard died

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SoD 3 have been updated with flavor story and death gif

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@Gorta
@WindwardAway
@Leafia
@Wazza
@ElizaThePsycho
@Kiiruma
@thepigeonnyc
@PlagueSimp
@beancat
@Zone_Q11
@Atlas
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@Illwei

NAI Start Ping

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I’ll be back in about an hour

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"The good thing about yeeting our poor doctor (this sentence is a cope already) is it is going to make tonight a bit easier to judge. If there is only one kill again we are likely operating under a five person wolf team with a single already dead Arsonist. Obviously if there’s two… well, four person wolf team confirmed. So if there’s only one get those four person wolf team lists ready.

Let’s start that re-eval at Vul, actually. Started Day 2 voting Zone which I think is town and led a wrong Brad wagon. Deep Wolf confirmed!? Let’s find out.

Achromatic - Buried Marl yesterday, top poster, no way this is a wolf Illwei - Towny overall (understand Achro’s concerns but unwilling to budge atm) Atlas - Imo towny d1 (Achro convinced me) Eliza - Maintaining the reasoning from earlier Kiiruma - Don’t think he just shuts down completely as a wolf, early posts were towny Beancat - Defense of Leafia seems uninformed in hindsight; this is less relevant if Leafia flips town but I still think the defense’s existence alone was villagery; note …

So this is Vul’s read list that began the Brad wagon. This feels like a towny read list to me. If he is wolf protecting wolf Illwei for example then Brad really, really had a bad game. I struggle to think why vul would put plague as a green as wolf, feels so unmotivated. If they were wolf together I figure Plague would just have a little better time getting into the thread.

Overall I find this to be a very reasonable SOD2 read’s list with a lot of good thought put into it. I know Vul is an excellent player, but no need to get too paranoid yet.

Him passionately defending townreads is his regular MO and he does solve by towncore as town, my primary concern lies in how he handled Leafia (almost entirely by proxy, but without really pushing there or anything) and how he handled Marl (defended him at first, then acted like a wet noodle around his forming wagon as if he felt helpless despite having him as a townread before and reacting loudly to you wolfreading Illwei)

I feel this point from town Vul just makes sense about Brad. Feels unmotivated. I had my concerns but ultimately I don’t know the guy too well and day worked out to make it make sense.

If Leafia flips town, Hippo looks better (it removes one reason I can think of for wolf!him to want the vig to punt eevee instead of shooting a town and dying like Zorvo did) and PlagueSimp looks worse (the way they came to their conclusion of Wazza looks TMI-ish in that case because it works from the prerequisite assumption that Leafia is a villager) I am less confident about the latter than the former

“If Leafia flips town, Hippo looks better”

This sticks out because this is the opposite take of what PidgeonSlot had about Hippo’s wolf equity. Because if Leafia is wolf then… Hippo linked Marl/Leafia together day one so why would he ever be a wolf for that? Kind of an interesting little read from Vul there that honestly makes me like Hippo more for something that I put no thought into myself.

I’ll be around again tomorrow but this is what I have at the moment Zone, please play the game normally - like you’re doing right now, I think you’re town glgl I guess but you obviously shouldn’t hammer anyone /unvote @Buddhist_Monkey Brad try not to yell at me for daring to suspect you because I know you’ve been keen on this in the past Explaining your process on Leafia and Marl would help As well as providing your current thoughts on Leafia

The brad line is ‘oof.’ Apparently Brad enjoys a little bit of omgus which… yeah,that checks out.

/vote BradLand @Buddhist_Monkey I’m just going to do this for now until somebody disproves my case

The vote on brad and, like… yeah, I liked the case and town is allowed to be wrong for earnest reasons.

I sort of don’t think Hippo/Leafia are paired

This should have been a heavy town lean for Hippo, right? Because above if Leafia is town it is good for Hippo, and here Vul says Hippo isn’t paired with Leafia so… that covers both wolf and town of Leafia, so Hippo just looks good lol.

Some combination of my PoE people so something like you/gorta/windy/hippo/leafia/brad Hippo/Leafia not w/w and if I want to maintain the windy/Marl read then I should remove her but I’m not completely sure It would leave me at you/hippo/brad or you/leafia/brad Maybe Wazza if I want to stretch but I still haven’t re-read her

But here he still has Hippo in his PoE. Hm. Did Vul just not think this through? That’s a bit concerning from me thinking of Vul as a genuine town perspective. But there is a lot to keep track of to be fair and I’ll see how Vul ends up progressing on Hippo.

I feel like if town!Leafia it’s Brad/Hippo/+1 and if wolf!Leafia it’s still Brad (joy_cat) +1 Idk if I should be concerned about the fact I currently have Brad as always mafia and I fully expect him to come here and yell at me for wolfcasing him but that’s how it is right now

So here Vul has quietly discounted “Town Leafia makes Hippo look better” and I don’t understand why. Someone make Vul answer this please.

Like 600 posts in my absence were about Leafia’s skill as a player I am not joking So you’re honestly not missing a lot

If nothing else Vul and I have the same distaste for this, so that’s nice.

Interesting that Illwei bowed out of reading into the claim at all and just voted Atlas for #reasons Achro and Atlas’s reactions to the claim just clear them even more ???

I feel like everyone pictured in these quotes is town for different reasons, and I like Vul’s take here.

Yeah Hippo/Brad/Plague looks like a decent focus rn Alice/Illwei/maybe Wazza if we need to go deeper Leafia’s alignment would be nice to know regardless of anything because we’re sort of just assuming she’s town

Poor Hippo, was said to be fine if Leafia is town and then Vul betrayed him (this is not serious just adding to the list because it is the only inconsistency Vul has and small inconsistencies with great players are not the type of thing I like to chalk up to coincidence)

I think Marl would’ve died day 1 even without his claim and subsequent outing because Achro had a lot of threadpull, was suspicious of him, and I agreed with his case on Marl I did say that Marl’s claim probably came from town but that was a mistake stemming from me overestimating his wolfgame and believing that he wouldn’t make a dumb claim like this (sorry Marl)

“And I agreed with his case on Marl” implying Vul needed to be there for Marl to get dunked on. Cute. :)

I’m taking Brad’s complete lack of a response once he’s become aware of what’s going on as antispew and move on with my life If he flips town that’s unfortunate but I don’t see myself moving today after this I would also clear Windy after this because this makes the 2nd time she has a compelling reason to be called town due to an interaction with a wolf, albeit this time it’s her talking to Brad (the “gotcha” moment) and not her being talked about (Marl’s push on her) I still think it’s possi…

… Kind of agree from a town perspective here. “He is town, that’s unfortunate, but yeah.” Like… that’s where I am at now. There are mislynches I will beat the shit out of myself over, but this won’t be one of them, I just want to re-eval for this journal entry to see if what I thought about certain players still holds up.

My relationship with this site is that I want to invite people from all over the place to play here but I’m also terribly worried that they get dragged into a game where stuff like the Leafia skill issue argument unfolds and they will understandably never want to play here again Also people want pages and I can’t really argue with that but even in the case of people willing to tolerate Discourse I always worry about this More game-related I read Windy’s legacy and I think it’s generally quite …

Not game related, but I have had fun for the most part. I feel you, Vul.

So do we just agree to sheep Achro lmao because I can’t argue with anything he’s saying including the Eliza read I thought Eliza’s treatment of her read on Achro was always villager and that’s still the biggest point in her favor IMO but I completely understand the opposing perspective he presented so like weh

I want to say this feels town? Like this feels so uninformed that Brad is going to flip town but I have no idea Vul’s range as a wolf.

I said I was going to talk about your points on Alice There isn’t much to talk about Hippo V = Alice W (or Exe like Hippo said lmao) Alice’s posts after eevee’s claims were noteworthy catches as well

I also agree with this, and Hippo V I still think looks good.

I feel very small this game Granted this is my first game back but also yeah

I think you’ve been fine as either alignment, but especially if town I do have a tendency to dwarf players - I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

I think Wazza isn’t aligned with Brad though

Wazza is not w/w with Brad for sure. I agree (lol). I wonder what everyone thinks of Wazza going ‘guys I am not sure if Brad is wolf’ towards the end. I don’t know Wazzas meta at all but like I know I was quietly nervous about it, I always tend to be because I am paranoid, and I have no idea if wazza would openly voice ‘gee guys I dont know…’ as wolf or if that’s just a nervous town that mirrors my own ‘ehhh’ feeling.

I take it back I do think Wazza/Leafia is absolutely not a thing though so there’s only one wolf in there at most Hippo W = Leafia V Hippo V = Alice W?

Damnit Vul how did you arrive to be so polarized when earlier you thought Leafia V looked good for Hippo

I think Achro’s case on Alice has merit I still think Eliza might be town despite what Achro said There is no alignment cop in the setup The Seer is a 1-shot rolecop according to eevee’s info and I’m inclined to believe him considering the fact wolves killed him over revealing this information I frankly can’t believe you’re actually considering him being mafia after what he did with Marl

On the one hand: yes, I concur
On the other hand: Brad the town doctor went full tilt on me for doing a joke doctor counter claim and never stopped. So I mean. ???

You do realize that killing one player has been your agenda the entire game, the setup has a 3p role in it that wishes to do just that, and your reaction to pushback on Hippo - instead of trying to verify if you might actually be wrong - was “how the fuck can you think he’s V??? maybe Achro is actually mafia, guys” You know, Achro, the player whose treatment of Marl day 1 absolutely never comes from a partner because he evidently tilted Marl out of his mind and whose argument that Marl was TMIn…

I mean… I feel like everything he is saying is right here.

This is absolutely not the same thing and not what you are being accused of Nonono, don’t misrepresent my argument You getting annoyed about defenses of Hippo is what makes no sense because you literally have KP to deal with him personally even if the village doesn’t want to so you can just shelve him for the n3 kill You can just accept it, go for another wolf, then kill him personally n3 Or you can reconsider your read on him instead of throwing suspicion on the clearest player in the gam…

Very strong argument style from Vul, honestly.

Unfortunately yes but there’s typically some sort of agenda behind it dependent on her alignment The problem is figuring it out because when she resorts to personal attacks and loud yelling like this it’s easy to get distracted

I feel like this is an earnest check in that sometimes this… does happen.

I find it difficult to argue with this point in particular because it’s just… true

So this feels good for Vul. I have been pointing out ‘ehh a little off on the Hippo stuff’ throughout day 2 for Vul bt here Vul reads this and just goes ‘…yeah, this just makes sense’ so as long as Vul doesn’t try to put Hippo back in the PoE for a shady reason I think I am fine with Vul. He made a mistake on doctor, I consented to that mistake, it’s mafia it happens.

Normally I wouldn’t engage but in this case I feel obligated to point these things out because I think a lot of people would be bullied into not doing that

Mindmeld on this fucking hard btw.

I think I made fun of Marl for claiming earlier but if Hippo is indeed town and Achro is correct about this then claiming was actually a very good play Windy has the same point in her favor as Hippo does in this case but given what she’s done today I’m locking her as town either way

Also yes, assuming marl didn’t do a stupid makes me much more comfortable than laughing at marl after his death.

I’m saying this so that we have a starting point tomorrow Lock town: Achro/Atlas/Illwei (Atlas thinks no)/Vulgard/Wind/Zone Probably town: Beancat/Gorta/Kiiruma/Wazza Maybe town?: Eliza/Leafia Focal points: Alice/Hippo/Plague (whoever is in the slot tomorrow) Is this what we’re going with for tomorrow? Especially interested in people’s opinions on the probably town/maybe town section because sorting these players becomes very important later

… Why is Hippo back down to being a focal point. Damn you Vul, your handling of Hippo confuses me greatly. DAMN YOU, VUL.

And that’s the end. So the only thing, the ONLY thing, I have trouble understanding from Vul is Hippo. Vul what the heck? But otherwise completely fine. I don’t know enough about Vul’s wolf range to ever be able to be paranoid about this. Although one stray paranoid thought is Pidgeon is town and Vul is partnered with Plague, I guess. Which doesn’t make sense to me but hey maybe.

Brad wasn’t really caught up with the thread and just sheeping Pidgeon’s slot, according to his own words. His town read of Illwei, in agreement with Vul, is noted however and I will keep that in mind going forward if I grow paranoid of Illwei.

Eliza is still in my PoE because Eliza has done nothing. Vul and Windy and most people, tell me this isn’t alarming. Eliza has made me chuckle a few times, but that being accepted as “Yeah things Eliza does” is probably explaining why I have this deep foreboding feeling that this community’s towns lose a lot of games based on commentary this game. Don’t worry, my home site does the same thing so I feel right at home. I will pray Eliza gets mech cleared because one vote that just so happened to push back against a wolf voter in me day one is a really odd reason to be town reading someone day 3, but also sometimes those reads are right so… yeah.

I think I am going to go a look back on Wazza and re-read my own ISO of Brad and I think I don’t need to take up any more space with this. Most of my reads were independent of Brad I just want to make sure I didn’t clear someone just for Brad stuff. Guess I’ll do that first.

Famous last words of Achromatic: “I am going to pre-flip Brad since if Brad is town after no showing for 16 hours I will have bigger problems than the time I wasted reading a short ISO.”

I should have felt the curse I put into the world as soon as I said that, tbh.

So the big thing about Brad’s iso is that I have to give Illwei wolf equity because of how much it felt like Brad was trying to pocket her (as in, I took away wolf equity when I thought brad was wolf so I have to give it back to restore the balance), but that is a weird thing given Brad’s earnest read was just that Illwei was town, so I guess that cancels out. Yeah my brad iso didn’t really move the needle on anyone so I don’t have any reads due to him being a wolf, so that’s good to sort out.

EoD votals are usually neat to look at but both days felt like they were a bit unavoidable in terms of having one sided EoDs. Obviously day 1 that wasn’t a problem since we stacked a wolf and an arsonist claimed too. Day 2 felt pretty unavoidable unless you think you should never lynch any doctor claim ever (and I guess that’s a valid critique, but it is also a highly faked role from my neck of the woods so I like to have one or two other things going for a claimant if I am not going to lynch) so I guess it is what it is.

One thing I will say is I don’t want the town to fall into group think, which it might be in danger of doing. I am glad people agree with a lot of my takes but I think if Pidgeon flips town everything should be scrapped. Despite the previous slot holder’s demeanor if that person flips town then that represents a valid world view that contradicted with my own heavily and I really hope no one brushes it off just because of the way they said it.I think you should brush off a lot of what they had to say because it makes no sense to me, but if I am dead then use your best judgment.

If you’re seeing this it means I am dead (or just posting my journal because I spent a lot of time on it so fuck it) and I think town could be in trouble if I am wrong, because I am playing fast and loose with sorting in an attempt to make up for clear gaps in effort in about half of the game, which included Brad. I constantly try to re-evaluate but day 2 is a rough place to do that because people I town read and people I suspect all agreed with Brad which as Wazza pointed out could have been a red flag, but I have seen it plenty of times also where wolves just take the loss for the day.

Also I can’t ignore the fact that so far my initial reads are 4/4. I was right about Marl, I town read Min for most of day 1 and upon re-read night 1, I thought Brad was town for how he went after me before the great idling of 2022 and listening to other people’s views, and I had a town read on Zorvo. So as I sit here night 2 I am thinking I am reading the game fairly well.

I think about Pidgeon’s slot v Hippo and it is obvious with what is known as of now. I never go Hippo first there. Bussing happens, obviously, but if Hippo busses it is a really well executed bus and bussing your role cop when you have an anti claim kill feels strange to me. I think out of respect for the previous slot holder’s reputation if they flip town we may have to go for Hippo after that, but like… I just don’t see it at all presently with how Hippo was pretty consistent on Marl, his point on Leafia is just… right by the way? Like people act as if it is wolf linking the two but… I had a problem with those same comments. Almost everyone has had a problem with those same comments from Leafia. Leafia fits into most teams, so why was the Hippo take such a firebrand take that dominated the topic? I don’t get it. It feels arbitrary and capricious for someone to go ‘I think Leafia is suspect, but Hippo is too.’ In fact one of the only people not guilty of this who suspects Hippo is… Pigeon’s slot. They town read Leafia so that world view is at least consistent. But also I’d expect that previous slot holder to note how a lot of people were doing that.

SUPER IMPORTANT PROGRESSION ON HIPPO. MUST READ

But let me spin the table around and talk about Hippo. I don’t know Hippo so I usually tend to favor simple solutions early and to be conservative. But let’s not be conservative. Let’s assume Pidgeon is town for fun here and we are looking at Hippo uncharitably. This means he knows how to fake those questions to Eevee while sounding like he is clueless, Marl’s timing was purely a coincidence and I read too much into it, and Hippo voted Marl early with me but was planning on going to Leafia before I absolutely froze him solid with my threat to kill him. Some things about Hippo have pinged me this way but pigeon’s previous slot holder completely burned me out and I just wanted day to be over. I have explained why Eevee was killed a lot in topic. Anticlaim shot. It’s a strongman modifier, it’s infinite use apparently if you know the claim. Yet repeatedly Hippo keeps saying ‘why would they waste that’ etc. Hippo has apparently never been lynched here. He’s a good player. Wind doesn’t sheep me, she charts her own course. Vul doesn’t sheep me, even if he might be tempted to, he charts his own course, but Hippo seems to really be content to cheer lead for me.

Here’s Hippo’s wolfiest post today:

Achro is kinda OP tbh Wolves steongmanning the arso instead of achro is a massive lol

Why? Because Wolves couldn’t strongarm me. I have not claimed at that point (well, I claimed a lot of things, but you know what I mean) and they used their anti claim on Eevee. That was the only possible anti claim available last night that benefited them. Hippo should know better. Also, I have seen a lot of people compliment me after I make a series of conclusions that end up being wrong in their favor. It pings me.

To be clear, I am not saying Hippo is wolf in my current world view. It is not the most likely solution. However, I work based off of equity. There is wolf equity here but I simply do not know Hippo well enough to know how much.

It was just important for me that you all knew that if I died so no one thought it was a lock. My reads ALWAYS progress day to day, and what might be true day 2 may change based off how I think the game is evolving day 3. I am not a static thinker in any sense, so please remember that.

With that said, if Pidgeon’s previous slot holder has the terrible arguments in their town range, please no one ever again tell me they are a good player. I am working under the assumption that everyone is right and that they are very good. In that world, that slot can never be town. However their world view is consistent enough and their rage believable enough that if they were say bad to mediocre that there might be town equity there. Don’t know them though, so I’ll leave that judgment to you. If you can look within yourselves and go ‘Maybe that player isn’t as good as we think they are. Maybe they are prone to out bursts. Sure, they can read right a lot, but they mess up a lot of points and are actually very flawed’ then the Hippo case might get spicier. Because then Hippo wolf range intersects with Pidgeon town range and then maybe you just let Pidgeon shoot their shot since we have at least two other wolves to find still. Don’t know though!

Although if you think this, I would also take into account if you are letting this slot shoot its shot that the previous owner was also very good at reading Leafia and town read them. I feel like there’s been a lot of weird Leafia stuff this game, and I have no idea what to make of it!

… Actually, in this world view where we think pidgeon is town, Eliza is probably always wolf. Because as I pointed out in topic day 2 Eliza is Leafia but much worse in terms of why she is wolfing. Everyone jumped on Leafia for her defense of marl but Eliza’s was always 100% worse without any of the bright spots I liked about Leafia. So if Pidgeon is town then his slot probably had some good reads and just said them in the absolute worst way possible. I know it is hard to overcome that, and I don’t have personal experience to know what is more likely, so I am just spit balling a range for you all.

But this ALSO means that someone wolfing leafia and town clearing Eliza could easily be wolf. Which actually does open some deep wolf fun chances. Comedy option team of Vul/Eliza/Hippo?. Now I really am just spitballing, to be fair. But Vul coaching Eliza on a post to town clear her for would be big if true tbh."

So anyway I like to novel write

The Vul re-read was basically ‘Vul would have to be playing out of his god damn mind to be wolf, but I don’t know if he could do that’

But now that he is town his Eliza read holds more weight to me.

Also where is Vul’s journal? :/. I know he would have posted one…

[Leafia]

Either two insane toles or Zone is lying sbout being insame. Eithwr is possible I guess and yesterday was a disastrr. We executed a villag er r without a CW and didn’t even plan for the possibility that he could be town. I did grt some things from yesterday.

First of all, I highly doubt Wazza would’ve brought up the possibiliyy that Brad was to we n if Wazza was mafia, so maybr I was wrong about Wazza being scum. I just have a hard time seeing w!Wazza doing that.

Second of all, I’m officially putting Achro into my PoE. Not only wss he unwilling to con ssd’s ider the possibility that he was wrong on Brad, but he was at Alice’s thtoat yestrrday just becsuse Alice disagreed with his Hippo read. Furthermore, his Hippo read mskes little if any dense if you think about it. Any wolf worth their salt could’ve faked being uninformed town by questioning Eevee. Which makes his Hippo townread seem like TMI to me. Furthermore, we don’t have any proof on whether Eevee was even telling the truth about anything besides him being arso and yet Achro took what Eevee said as gospel truth when Eevee in that situation had every reason to lie about everything while doing his best thg o m as kr it look like h ed was helping the town. It just seems like TMI that what Eevee was saying was the truth. You might say that it had yo be the truth because Marl confirmed it, but he had every reason to lie about it too. Whether or not this means that Achro is groupscum, I don’t know. He could be the other 3p or I could b ed totally wrong about him and he could still be town, but if he’s as good as he says he is and a villager, I’d expect him to be playing smarter and better than this.

[Achromatic]

anyway later everyone, let me know if you have questions. Also I am mayor and am deciding to claim in order to protect invest one more night 100% so that can get something spicy. Sorry if claiming like this is weird for FOL, but I thought I was clever day 1 talking about having Atlas as my double vote LOL.

[Leafia]

Happy birthday Achro.

[beancat]

Why is it that every time I try and exist for EoD y’all just hammer

Also happy birthday Achro

[beancat]

Didn’t someone claim insane earlier

Zone?