i cannot think of a title for this that doesn't sound like clickbait

I appreciate hearing more about your views on this, and so let me start by being clear that in literally no way at all am I attempting to imply anything about your gender presentation as an individual. I don’t think I’ve said anything even remotely or tangentially related to that, and that is not at all related to my words on this matter. I would go so far as to say I think it’s entirely irrelevant to the actual issue at hand, and for what it’s worth I strongly disagree with the notion that your gender presentation isn’t “sufficient” for anything - if anybody is telling you that it is, I have years of experience with you that lead me to strongly disagree.

I also understand that being called a gender-neutral term can be a way to specifically avoid having to use the person in question’s preferred pronouns. However, if this were what is specifically happening, that is not the idea that I got from your posting here, which sounded to me a lot like people were just using gender-neutral terms as a default option to attempt to avoid causing anybody harm, and inadvertently catching you in the crossfire. If that is what was actually happening, I apologize for my misunderstanding, and encourage you to report the people in question, as that sort of behavior that is intended to cause others harm is certainly against site rules.

I agree that just because something is normal does not make it okay, but I also think that we can all agree that people defaulting to gender-neutral language when online is ultimately something that has become normal here specifically because people are trying to avoid misgendering people, and I would hope we are in agreement that, in general, this is a preferable normal to what we’ve done in the past. If you feel that somebody is abusing this norm in a manner that you feel is malicious, please report them - I can 100% promise you that our moderation team will be willing to ask them to stop and escalate if they do not.

I think it’s probably easiest to respond to this by saying that yes, I am doing exactly this - but only with some of the responsibility, not all, and that bit of responsibility is to let others know how you feel. If something people do is hurting you when it would not hurt most people they interact with, it is not helpful to anybody to not voice that. People are complex and without being told that somebody feels a certain way, it’s hard to know for sure what they will and won’t like. That is actually exactly why I appreciate this thread’s existence, as I think it helps bring more light to this topic and is a great discussion to have as a community (and is also why I’m so pissed at Neon right now for being an ass about it for no good reason).

However, that does not mean you need to resign yourself to being hurt personally in order to have this discussion. From a “Site Feedback” point of view, as a technical administrator, there seems to me to be one relatively simple change that can be made on your end to alleviate the personal hurt you are feeling over this issue. That does not mean the issue does not exist, nor does it mean that all responsibility for addressing it lies with you (and once again I think this topic is a good way to turn your experience into discussion that can positively change the community) - but it does give you, personally, an option you can take to meaningfully improve how you feel about your time on this site going forward by informing others about a specific way you would prefer they not address you in. And unless somebody has a specific feature request that is better than anything I can think of for this, that’s pretty much the only meaningful thing I can point to as a tech admin here.

If you feel that any of this is unreasonable, please do feel free to let me know.

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anyways I think we raised the limit to 300 chars?

if not blame zug for making it sound like he pushed that when he didn’t

nvm he can’t push it because he has class

it’ll be done by the end of the day

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things looked fine on mobile so I just pushed that

let me know if anybody finds any issues with it

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i cant break this full post down right now since i have class in half an hour but i appreciate the response

i do trust the moderation team here quite a lot so i can say with confidence that if i did think anyone was acting in bad faith around this i would have already communicated with a mod about it

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I just want shit to be specified if a given person wants to avoid the default.

And it definitely doesn’t help that this is reigniting the frustration and general pissed-off-ness from

, which is probably due to both having the other side seemingly be opposed to the idea of actually presenting the necessary information.

what you want here is entirely lost in the fact that the way you’re approaching this is mean-spirited

even if you’re pissed off about some other UI design that does not make it okay to come in here and take that frustration out on others who have a genuine concern

well I can’t tell that

ive been telling you for like 10 posts now

take a hint

i’m not good at hints

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sorry how did you enter this thread by swearing at me in all caps and fail to recognize that it was coming across as mean spirited

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I may or may not be completely and utterly inept at recognizing that

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this is the part where you say “I’m sorry” ftr

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okay
sorry
(I don’t know how better to word it to not make it seem generic)

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anyway my disagreement with this comes in the argument that they/them is the default when pronouns are already specified

in the absence of specific pronouns, sure, but when my pronouns are right next to my name in every post i make i think it is reasonable to expect people to use them

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ftr if the main goal is to avoid causing people harm you would just. use the person’s preferred pronouns (unless you are under the opinion that they/them to everyone causes as little harm to everybody as their stated pronouns which is just incorrect) so there has to be some prior/simultaneous goal that leads you to not actually check (e.g. saving time)

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and for fear of being harsh - apology not accepted. you have been nothing but rude in this thread and when called on it you made excuses that made it obvious that you were not taking this topic seriously, only apologizing when someone explicitly told you to.

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funny tension-breaking pronouns-related one-liner recieving 6 likes and a reply from orange who doesn’t appear to get the joke

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