initiative to improve townplay

You useless piece of shit. You absolute waste of space and air. You uneducated, ignorant, idiotic dumb swine, you’re an absolute embarrassment to humanity and all life as a whole. The magnitude of your failure just now is so indescribably massive that one hundred years into the future your name will be used as moniker of evil for heretics. Even if all of humanity put together their collective intelligence there is no conceivable way they could have thought up a way to fuck up on the unimaginable scale you just did. When Jesus died for our sins, he must not have seen the sacrilegious act we just witnessed you performing, because if he did he would have forsaken humanity long ago so that your birth may have never become reality. After you die, your skeleton will be displayed in a museum after being scientifically researched so that all future generations may learn not to generate your bone structure, because every tiny detail anyone may have in common with you degrades them to a useless piece of trash and a burden to society. No wonder your father questioned whether or not your were truly his son, for you’d have to not be a waste of carbon matter for anyone to love you like a family member. Your birth made it so that mankind is worse of in every way you can possibly imagine, and you have made it so that society can never really recover into a state of organization. Everything has forever fallen into a bewildering chaos, through which unrecognizable core, you can only find misfortune. I would say the apocalypse is upon us but this is merely the closest word humans have for the sheer scale of horror that is now reality. You have forever condemned everyone you love and know into an eternal state of suffering, worse than any human concept of hell. You are such an unholy being, that if you step within a one hundred foot radius of a holy place or a place that has ever been deemed important by anyone, your distorted sac religious soul will ruin whatever meaning it ever had beyond repair. You are an idiotic, shiteating, dumbass ape and no one has ever loved you. Rhodes Island would have been better off if you’d never joined us. You are a lying, backstabbing, cowardly useless piece of shit and I hate you with every single part of my being. Even this worlds finest writers and poets from throughout the ages could never hope to accurately describe the scale on which you just fucked up, and how incredibly idiotic you are. Anyone that believes in any religion out there should now realize that they have been wrong this entire time, for if divine beings were real, they would never have allowed a being such as you to stain the earth and this universe. In the future there will be horror stories made about you, with the scariest part of them being that the reader has to realize that such an indescribable monster actually exists, and that the horrific events from the movie have actually taken place in the same world that they live in right now. You are the absolute embodiment of everything that has ever been wrong on this earth, yet you manage to make it so that that is only a small part of the evil that is your being. Never in the history of mankind has there been anyone that could have predicted such an eldrich abomination, but here you are. It’s hard to believe that I am seeing such an incredible failure with my own eyes, but here I am, so unfortunately I cannot deny your existence. Even if I did my very best, my vocabulary is not able to describe the sheer magnitude of the idiotic mistake that is you. Even if time travel some day will be invented, there still would not be a single soul willing to go back in time to before this moment to fix history, because having to witness such incredible horrors if they failed would have to many mental and physical drawbacks that not even the bravest soul in history would be willing to risk it. I cannot imagine the pure dread your mother must have felt when she had to carry a baby for nine months and then giving birth to such a wretched monster as you. Not a single word of the incoherent, illogical rambling you may be wanting to do to defend yourself or apologize would ever be able to make up for what you just did. The countries of the world would have wanted to make laws preventing such a terrible event like this from ever happening again, but sadly this is not possible since your horrific actions just now have shattered every form of order this world once had, making concepts such as laws irrelevant. Right from the moment I first set my eyes on you I knew you were an absolute abomination of everything that is wrong with humanity. I was hoping I would have been able to prevent your evil from being released upon this world by tagging along and keeping my eye on you, but it is clear to me now that not even the greatest efforts would have been able to prevent a terrible event in this scale from occurring. You are the worst human being, or even just being in general, that I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Events like the infected plague apparently only happened with the goal of teaching humanity to survive such a horrible event as the one you just created, but not even mankind’s greatest trials were able to even slightly prepare anyone for the insufferable evil you have just created. If you ever had them, your children would be preemptively killed to protect this universe from the possibility of anyone in your bloodline being even half as bad as you are, except you will never be able to have children, because not a single human being will ever want to come within a hundred mile radius of you and anything you have ever touched. You are a colossal disappointment not only to your parents, but to your ancestors and entire bloodline. The disgusting mistake that you have just made is so incredibly terrible that everyone who would ever be to hear about it would spontaneously feel an indescribable mixture of immense anger, fear and anxiety that emotionally and physically they would never truly be the same ever again. The sheer scale of your mistake, if ever to be materialized, would not only surpass the size of the world, but it would reach far beyond the edges of the known, and almost certainly the unknown universe. I could sit here and write paragraphs, nay, books describing your immense failure, yet even if I were to dedicate my life to describing the reality of what has just gone down here, and I would spend every moment of it until my heart stops beating working as hard and efficiently as possible, yet there is not even a snowballs chance in hell that I would be able to come close to transcribing the absolute shitshow you have just released upon the world. You are an irresponsible, idiotic, disgusting, unloved, horrible excuse for a living being who’s soul contains less humanity than every ginger in history combined. The absolute disgust I feel when thinking about anything that has even a slight resemblance to anything that might have to do with you and your unholy actions is so incredibly great that when I am honest about it I think that even I do not posses a consciousness great enough to comprehend my own feelings about it. When people of Columbia fought to break free from Lungmen, countless soldiers fought and lost their lives in favor of a chance at a better future for their children, they did not give their lives to have you fuck the world up beyond repair to the degree that you are doing right now. Honestly, even when technology advances and studies on the subject become more and more accurate, I do not think humanity will ever truly be able to understand what your failure actually means for the universe. My hate for you and everything you stand for is so much deeper than the depths of Shambala that you could probably take the entire Lungmen population down there and back up around twenty million times before you would have sunk to the end of my hate, and honestly, I do not want to exaggerate, but I think that that insult was low balling it such a massive amount that all mountains in this world combined would not be able to stack up to this imprecise judgement in light of the fact that when being honest, my hate is almost certainly bottomless. There is no one in this world that has ever loved you, and especially after what you just did, no one will ever love you in the future either. There is no hope that your idiotic behavior and especially your crooked soul will ever change for the better, and in fact quite the opposite might be true. By making the mistake that you just did, you have shown me that you are so incredibly hopeless that you will only devolve into a more idiotic and wretched creature than you already are. The only possible way in which your future would be brighter than the black hole your existence currently is would exclusively be because there is absolutely no conceivable way that you would even be able to sink lower than the pathetic place your current failure has put you in. But than again, you are so incredibly abominable that you would probably be able to surpass the worst conceivable failure a living being could possibly make. You are so incredibly pathetic that you are honestly not worth any more of my words nor my time. Just remember that I will forever detest you for your failure and everything you stand for, and no matter what happens, I will never ever forgive you.

(answer: get more tryhards to play)

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posting a lot, posting less, posting more walls, analysing games, all fake news

if u dont wanna tryhard u will not tryhard

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you want to be me

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I mean, you can use online calculators to check the chance of town winning in various setups, and 3v12, what we just played, sits around 25% win chance.!

Of course, “we’re no better than random chance” isn’t exactly a shining compliment of this site’s townplay - if towns are even 10% better at catching wolves, that win chance goes up to 46% - but it’s not as if we’re completely throwing away townsided setups, at least from my 1-game sample size.

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But I’m completely throwing. I’m going to start that accusation. I have clearly thrown every game I’ve played here; there’s no other way I could have lost them all. Open your eyes, people! Ban May for gamethrowing!


Silly Solution: Get more people to wallpost enough such that you can confuse a blue player into thinking you’ve played wall of text for free.

Serious Solution: Well, it’s probably not just that townies aren’t trying hard enough, it might be that what other sites consider “townsided” do not entirely apply to this site for any number of regional reasons, even ones that at first glance don’t seem to be relevant, such as the infini-scroll and its’ features on this site. If I scroll all the way down to the most recent post, then I’ve lost my place and its’ harder for me to go back up and read, minorly disincentivizing a historical look of the game. Additionally, if you do go back to read, your concentration might be fragmented whenever people post, as the forum ever-so-helpfully points out that new posts were made since you last checked.
In my experience, MS provides an (archaic?) solution to this problem by limiting how far you can scroll down before you have to change pages, allowing you to keep up with where you’ve paused reading. Additionally, it’s much easier to not notice when new posts were made, and should you check up on them, there’s an easy way back.

This isn’t to say that one is better than the other, but instead to bring to light the fact that this site isn’t a carbon copy of other sites, even in the most literal sense. It also isn’t to say that the design of the site is the main, or even only, problem. It could and probably is the result of many factors, including site demographic, design philosophy, and game mechanics.

If I had to suggest a serious solution, a good start is to ask players before, during, and after a game what their experience was, how easy or hard they felt the game was to them, and what improvements (even silly or ridiculous improvements) could be made to future games.


if ppl are having fun does it matter that they suck :thinking:



y tho

becuz i said so

i boight an xbox today even tho i duck at games cuz ill have fun

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true story

It was only 180 pounds cuz of blackfridsy

I could write more about this, but I feel like the problem with most villages on this site is that they don’t work well together as a team.

Reads accuracy is where a lot of the focus lies and IMO is overrated.

But really getting into the heads of your fellow villagers and trying to understand where they’re coming from, or ensuring a healthy, non-toxic thread environment, or making sure that your posts are clear, concise and readable, as well as ensuring that they make your thought process and mindset clear - all of these things don’t get as much focus as they should.

Additionally, the tricky thing about this is that the average player needs to raise the standard of their town play. Generally, in mafia, the players most responsible for the outcome of the game are often the ones that don’t know how to play endgame - because the mafia kill the good players early.


proph kinda summarises my thoughts pretty well

i agree that the importance of read accuracy is mostly overstated. in reality the average mafia player has =rand read accuracy, but other sites have much higher town winrates

one thing i’ve noticed is that very few people on this site have the ability to look at a case and say “wow, this is a good case, i will vote this player” and to an extent this is also because very few players on this site have the ability to make convincing cases or present reads in a way that’s digestible to everyone else in the game. so the issue is more of a combination of a lack of cooperation (the point about sheeping) and communication (the point about convincing cases)

also, this is another good point which is mostly overlooked

not only do bad/toxic thread environments make people want to play the game less but usually in situations like this whatever is causing the threadstate to be ass serves as a distraction when people do actually try to engage with the thread

i said this before, but i think the main reason town lost the last game is because no one really took a step back and scrutinised the lesser talked about slots (which were all mafia) because of the dominating arete/prisma/zorvo conflicts. because these conflicts consumed the thread it was extremely hard to not talk about them and the distraction stopped players looking at where the actual wolves were. the players who did look past this (magnus/aro/jarek to name a few) ended up having better reads than the rest of the village


I heard that other sites win more often cuz they kill more wolves than villagers
have we tried this


Yes we already tried to kill litten

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if we no-elim every day then we’ll never kill villagers → profit


buy siege and add me

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0>0 true