well no, the people who are voting her / think we should kill her are doing it because of her role claim, not because she’s slanking, and i just explained the logic about her role in that post, if you haven’t seen her claim then you should read it
If you gonna kill me, can you at least kill me day 2 so I have a wincon
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this feels pretty like a pretty uncharitable assessment, he has probably given the most content out of anyone here in 12 hours and is already doing more than i’d expect from a chill town game of his where he’s done far less on this site by this point. if anything i’d say he could be a wolf for doing too much, but your assessment doesn’t feel realistic
also pretty convenient if you’ve gotten to the point where he voted you lol (and if you have it’s weird that you elected to say nothing about that)
what counts as visiting you? any abilities? does it work with day actions?!
Yeah we need to dispense a disruptive action to convert ranta to town wincon (if we trust her claim), or eliminate her because mafia will convert her. Also how does it even work if two roleblockers visit her on the same night, town and mafia? Whos “first” to visit her?
If she’s lying i dont think its that likely shes mafia ftr, but she could be another 3p thats not fully honest. Could be a 3p killing with a solo win condition
If she gets converted to mafia she could unlock some abilities and do harm. Idk. Experimental role madness closed setup, anything goes
Im not going to advocate too hard to eliminate her. If we find a super sussy baka then sure we can go there instead. Im chilling
Eh… I get where you’re coming from, and I can feel an echo of my past self agreeing strongly with you. However, as of now, I would say it is circumstantial.
In times when my reads contain no scumreads or scumleans, I have to either look further into my nulls, or sheep someone I townread the most. (Because at that point, all I can do is admit that my reads are not good enough.)
This is kinda surprising to me. (Because I don’t remember anything about w!Daeron’s capabilities.)
[…] I will blindly trust what you say about w!Daeron being able to powerwolf, but I will continue keeping Daeron in townlean. (Because compared to all I have seen so far, he still seems good in terms of performance.) ((If he’s Mafia, then I ain’t going after him Today. Not when [not all players have spoken]. I still need to evaluate more players!))
Oh hey. Yeah, that was the post where I decided to put Daeron in my townleans. (And yeah, it was also part of the thing where I mentioned “a lot of text that could have been smaller text”.)
Huh… That… is a POV that I didn’t think before.
Hm… I will think about it later, but good catch.
If we vote Ranta for the mind boggle and shes telling the truth, does that mean a member of the mafia will be able to be converted to town wincon by being visited by a town, due to stealing her abilities…
(Dont vote her, vote me please, but that is amusing how it’s already a mess)
Also remember to vote me for the mind boggle the deadline is in 11 hours, not EoD
[…] Well, I ain’t going to bother factchecking meta, so I’ll blindly take your word for it.
Still… This kinda puts you in an awkward spot in my head, because to me you are now effectively synonymous to [sleep] –nay, even better than [sleep], considering removing you would be the equivalent to removing a potential threat to Town.
The argument of “removing you would also mean removing a potential threat to Mafia” doesn’t really hold, because (1) -despite what I said about taking your word for granted- I have no way of mechanically confirming the credibility of your claim, (2) -going back to assuming you are what you claim to be- there is (from my understanding) no way to guarantee you will side with Town after N1.
17 players. If you are the only Neutral party, then that’d be… 13v3v1, which could lead to either a 14v3 or a 13v4. That is… so swingy.
Actually, it’s even worse for you (if you are truly a GA), because regardless whom you side with, you will lose if your first visitor dies. It’s hard to imagine you wouldn’t have measures for that issue, but now I am looping back to the issue of “what if your powers are being used for the Mafia” and uh… Yeah, I am clearly getting nowhere with this.
Sorry Ranta, IDK if you will even care about my lowly opinion, but I don’t think you are in a good position despite -if you are not lying- doing the optimal play of revealing the truth to Town ASAP.
Before I even bother entertaining the idea of switching my vote away from Leafia: Does this involve information hazard? I.e., “For you to do whatever it is you need to do, is it impossible for you to explain your plan?”
You are presenting me with something I have hypothesized in my first post. However, I fail to see what that has to do with your plan. (So I assume it is an information hazard then.)
*re-reads Theory in P#13*
…oh. The ability name is “Targeted Counter-Breach”. Yeah, that’s literally anti-claim.
actually i think you are right, there is basically no way ranta’s role is real with this mechanic existing lmao
it doesn’t even exclude passive abilities so ranta would have the same wincon but not be able to achieve it? unless it talks about the first player to visit her in the wincon and not an ability
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Assuming Ranta is not lying, why would you ever want the GA to swap her abilities with a random Mafia? GA’s win condition ought to be “you side with whoever visits you first”, which is irrelevant to GA’s abilities.
Is Frostwolf even known to be an OMGUS’er?
I don’t remember that at all.
Does that “possibility” warrant his death above everyone else though? Do we have nobody else more suspicious than him?
Additionally, if it was just N1, then he didn’t need to ask to get the Mind Boggle at all. If anything, asking people to get the Mind Boggle is why players like you want to resolve him, right?
Did you not obvtown Jarek in P#274?
…? Do you think Ishmael is Town?
I doubt w!tutuu will gain any benefit from Mind Boggle. If anything, the benefits w!tutuu would get is “exactly nothing”. If Mafia gets the Mind Boggle, then they neither lose nor gain anything, so w!tutuu would then be able to claim any nonsense he wants, and no Town would be able to confirm it.
Consider me biased, but I don’t see how Ishmael’s confidence is making her towny.
If anything, I feel like you have TMI on her, based on how confident you were in P#308.
i recognize this logic might sound strange to people unfamiliar with ranta because the first refutation would be “well either she’s this role and it’s +ev to kill her or she’s a wolf and it’s still +ev to kill her” but the problem is this isn’t actually true because she makes claims like this in town games pretty much invariably
i am not sure if she does it as mafia too, but either way this is why i defaulted to the world where she’s lying being bad for us to kill her in even though that’s not necessarily true if she’s mafia. that said the combined chance that she is either this role or mafia and lying is probably higher than the chance she is town and lying and both of the former options are +ev to kill her so it’s fine to do that
It just says visit, I assume night actions count but not day unless they explicitly say otherwise since thats the standard
No because they wont take my wincon
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Yeah no that’s a later thing to deal with LOL
Also holy notifications let me deal with this shit
Is everyone in this game EU or something
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The game would not have passed review if this was the case I fear
I believe it was May if memory serves correctly