Millennium Theory - Act 1, Scene 2 (16/17)

[diafiasco]

@Anonygoose

Considering they did the exact same red check gambit as a wolf their last game as wolf in the codename/interception game.

I am glad someone pointed this out because yes this is the exact gambit Tutuu did in Wiretapper I was experiencing day ja voo

[Daeron]

No and that’s your problem not mine

[Zone_Q11]

@Daeron

@Zone_Q11

Daeron’s argument felt exaggerated. (Because it was a lot of texts that could have been summed up into a smaller text.)

For the record this was absolutely intentional to make sure that what I was saying could not be misconstrued
Because there was already a misunderstanding that Gira thought I was suggesting I was pushing them
So I went the absolute extra mile to clarify my position so I entirely understand why it’s being interpreted as inconcise

Fair enough. By the way, could you respond to Jarek’s P#225?

@Arctic

what reason do you have to trust leafia? her being able to use it less effectively as a wolf is kinda not a reason to want to give it to her outright

I trust Leafia (to be Town) less than Jarek. Hence why I said “I could trust Leafia”. However, “Leafia being Leafia” is seems good enough for me to give her the Mind Boggle, regardless of whether you accept or deny my reasoning.

@Arctic

I understand wanting to factor in the “least harm done if given to a wolf” aspect but I don’t really think that should be the main basis for the decision because it already stipulates nothing happens if wolves get targeted for it, unless you are worried about specifically a wolf ability that benefits from being chosen by this

The main benefit wolves get from being chosen for this is that a town doesn’t get chosen… so choosing someone that “won’t cause harm if they are a wolf” is silly when the harm comes inherently from choosing a wolf for it. we should just be choosing someone we townread that wants it

As I have explained in P#353, the benefit w!tutuu gets from getting the Mind Boggle is “exactly nothing”. You are correct in saying that “we should give it to the people we townread (that wants it)”, but I don’t townread tutuu to begin with. (See P#363 for my explanation.)

And thus I ask: Who else wants the Mind Boggle? There is (1) Leafia, (2) apparently Underdog, (3) that’s it. There is no (3).

[Daeron]

@Jarek

Does daeron actually unironically view themselves as executable enough 2 hours into the game

No

@Jarek

they’re pre-flipping themselves and building worlds where !Wgeewa has already won and killed them

Yes
I am constantly vigilant for agenda it is not a scumtell to be vigilant for agenda I fear

[Geewa]

okay so clearly my mental model is off

do you have a link to the game just for reference

[Daeron]

@Zone_Q11

could you respond to Jarek’s P#225?

Done

[diafiasco]

The initial townbin I put Crybaby in (#78) has not expired, I feel pretty good about this. I think he wants the game to properly “start” and is pushing people to explain where they stand so he can draw lines.

re: Zone, unless I missed something, Crybaby does not want the boggle.

[Geewa]

i am skeptical that the game would be tricially breakable from a design POV but i thought it was worth going for the upside, if tutuu has done this sort of thing as scum before i’d be a lot more hesitant

[diafiasco]

Also I am treating this game as a brain warmup for finals (which is mountainous) so I’m concerning myself mostly with socials and letting everyone else figure out the mech because it’s too complex for me

[Anonygoose]

Wiretapper13er [Wolves Win!]

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[Geewa]

usually in role madness paying too much attention to mechanics ends up inevitably being a trap

[Anonygoose]

FoL wolf meta is to be the first wolf to setup the other wolves for end game so you yourself don’t end game.

Wolves aren’t competing against town d1 they are competing against each other to make sure they don’t have to play the entire game.

[Anonygoose]

Once you unlock this simple fact everything comes into place

[diafiasco]

Gummy is approaching locktown status for me but I don’t want to articulate why since it would impact how she’s playing. I will informally throw a D1 shield on her

[Anonygoose]

About to finish my lunch break and enter my sekiro break and then have a nap and then do some work so will post less

[Frostwolf103]

@Arctic

This is how I feel about the Leafia situation

I get the logic behind this, what do you think about Guava doing same thing?

[diafiasco]

Continuing to click around, I’ll townbin Anonygoose for mindmelding with me here, and townbin Daeron off vibes. That’s four town bins that’s pretty good let’s see where the rest are

[Frostwolf103]

Are you the only person who think that way? I might have to check it myself

[diafiasco]

No clue I have just played with gummy a whole lot

[Zone_Q11]

@Arctic

okay but you conveniently ignored the main part about her being town
like look at what she has posted this game and tell me why she can’t be the wolf that benefits from getting this ability
is she less able to use it than some other people as a wolf? maybe. is she polarized? also maybe, but you and zone seem to be trusting her inherently for no reason which is really throwing me

IDK about Daeron, but my trust comes from those “maybes”. You undervalue [the things that I value].

Off-topic: If there’s something that throws me off, then it would be your trust on Geewa. I don’t have him as scumread, but you for whatever reason seem to be upset at me in P#343, when you saw me not giving Geewa even the smallest bit of townlean.

@Arctic

That’s not really an argument to choose her when we lose the utility by giving it to a wolf, even if we catch her later

???
That argument is literally applicable to tutuu as well.

Arctic, who do you think should get the Mind Boggle?