One Step From Eden JK9 - Town wins!

[Magnus]

@Leafia

I’ll do that later when I’m more awake.

You said this and posted your readlist anyway, in the same post. I like this a lot.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

@Magnus

This is blatantly made up. Bradland wasn’t voting to save Jaiden, she wasn’t going over.

It’s also at odds with how Leafia was talking about Jaiden being Jaiden earlier, so it’s not confbias either.

I don’t exactly remember what was going on at the time of that vote but selfpresing someone is voting to kill them. Not tryng to save them. I do remember getting a bit confusedvas to how the votes were going D1 though. But I never blatently make stuff up Magnus, not even as a wolf. I call them as I see them.

I posted the VC in my early post, to show what it was like at the time.
Brad voted Zorvo with less than a minute to EOD, and I’m guessing within the last few seconds of the day. The day ended with Brad and Zorvo tied with three votes, and Jaiden had one vote. She wasn’t in danger of going over, so Brad wasn’t voting to save Jaiden.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

@Magnus

I’d understand this logic for D2: I don’t understand this logic for D2.

You literally contradicted yourself here Magnus.

May pointed this out earlier. I meant D1 and D2 respectively.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

It’siterally pepega reasoning to suspect he’s a wolf here. Plus, it grew too quickly to be natural. He can definitely be being bussed here and always is if he’s a wolf.

You’re saying it’s NAI for Brad to vote elsewhere in an attempt to survive. I agree.
It’s AI for Brad to vote elsewhere after not really speaking much the first day, on someone he didn’t mention having a scumread on. If he figured he was going to put in the effort to make up for killing a vocal player, he would’ve done so by now. It looked like he mostly cared about wasting time, which is scummy.
(Could you outline your current towncase on Brad, with regards to his D2 silence? ISO Brad? I’d want to hear your perspective on why he’s Town in your eyes.)

@Leafia

@Magnus

At least one of Leafia or Jaiden is a wolf for being too afraid to face me.

I’m not afraid to face you.

Yeah, I don’t think you are. I was making a joke about how you hadn’t popped up in thread since I had replaced in.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

Leafia: Leafeons are always villagers in these games. It’s like a law of nature.
Brad: I was gutreading him town at EoD 1 and the sudden push on him just because he selfpresed suddenly seems like a super opportunistic push on a villager in an attempt to get that villager quickexecuted before they can explain themselves.

1. As mentioned previously, I’d like for you to outline a more specific read on Brad when you get the chance.
2. Jaiden voted Brad first, Furtive voted almost immediately afterwards, Ice voted 20 minutes later. Ice said it would be funny if Eliza voted, an idea she first broached, and Jaiden encouraged Eliza to vote, but was keenly aware of 5 being the majority. Ice retracted his vote, and Furtive later asked Ice and I to vote Brad. Still, quickhammering Brad would require three villager votes at most; do you think Mafia thinks we think killing Brad immediately is a good idea?
   …Well, I could see it, but the correct answer is no.

@Leafia

May: The only other one seeing sense about Brad here and I definitely want her to explain her vote on me. Her explaination will help develop my read on her one way or another.

Eliza: I debated whether to put this in townleans or null, but ultimitely decided on townleans. She just has a slightly villagery feel to her this game.

Townreading a player for mindmeld is okay, it’s fairly innocuous. These are okay reads, although I’m noticing a pattern here that you haven’t had solid impressions on these players.

[Magnus]

@Leafia

Magnus: Debated on whether or not to put this in null or scumlean. He seems to be solving, but it feels more like he might be trying to keep misexe options open and his reads on Ice and Furtive don’t feel real in the slightest.

What do you think my read on Ice is?

@Leafia

Jaiden: I was townreading this slot until Zorvo’s flip and Jaiden’s first post of D1. It got me to thinking Zorvo might’ve been right about Jaiden being scum.

Alright.

@Leafia

Ice: He’s just been really scummy all game, but he does have at least a bit of villageriness to him.

Furtive: My most confident scumread. He’s been pushing blatently wolfy agenda this entire game. I’ll be shocked if this flips town.

Noted. What changes about your readlist is Brad flips W?

@Leafia

I don’t exactly hate Zorvo going over D1 as I thought he had a higher chance of flipping scum than Brad did.

At this point, Brad not speaking is a scumclaim. I pinged him twice because I didn’t want a villager to give up on the thread, and I know that he could’ve been doing that. The way I see it, a villager should’ve responded.

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@IcetFeelsPain

Friendship ended with Eliza. Now Magnus is my best friend.

Sweet!

@IcetFeelsPain

@furtiveglance

I’d guess Leafia for the really wack defence of Bradland. I know it seems really level 1, but in a 9er with a JK, scum might feel a bit reluctant to bus a teammate, even a seemingly outed one.

Personally don’t like Leafia anymore as well but BradLand / Leafia isn’t Mafia / Mafia.

Perhaps. I’m not convinced they’re a difference check, if Leafia’s a wolf playing into this, but knowing her playstyle I would’ve expected Leafia to wash her hands clean of an outed partner and try to go deep.

@IcetFeelsPain

I don’t know what any of that means but 1. Others are right about not voting them immediately so day doesn’t randomly end even tho it’s never going to happen 2. I think there’s a scum in Leafia / Jarek / May and I can’t see Leafia / May being BradLand’s partner.

Putting me in a box, eh?

@IcetFeelsPain

Crazy. It’s pepega reasoning to suspect me Furt and Jarek are wolfs here because we voted someone who comes on at EoD to self pres with no regards and leaves and never comes back. How do hosts even deal with this? Do they just allow it?!? There’s no min post count here either.

There’s a minimum post count specified in the forum game rules.

@Arete

You must create a minimum of 15 substantive, on-topic, game-related posts per phase.

@IcetFeelsPain

Readlist
Icet
Furt
Magnus
Eliza
Leafia
Jarek
BradLand
May

Jarek and I are the same person.
I’m okay with this readlist presently.

[IcetFeelsPain]

MY BAD I MEANT JAIDEN NOT JAREK

[Magnus]

@IcetFeelsPain

Honestly Brad’s scum partner is just Eliza

Not really commenting on this right now, but this would be a funny reveal given Zorvo’s shot in the dark D1 no post read.

@IcetFeelsPain

@Leafia

I literally answered that. Do you really think three villagers would vote Brad for this pepega reasoning they have? Why can’t one of them be a wolf?

I would Furt would idk about Jarek

Assuming you meant Jaiden.

@furtiveglance

Among us sus

Everyone vote Bradland

I’d rather burn through 150 posts first, please and thanks.

@ElizaThePsycho

cuz if he did it would be completely contradictory to sheep me

Checks out. Good response.

@ElizaThePsycho

@Magnus

Given the lack of explanation for this vote, I’m assuming Eliza was joining Furtive on the wagon.

also no i wasn’t

Gutread then?

[ElizaThePsycho]

@Magnus

Gutread then?

yeah his vote was bad so I voted him

[Magnus]

This vote is reminiscent of your vote on Frost, only way earlier in the day. What makes this vote objectively different fypov?

[Leafia]

Where are you getting Jarek from?

@furtiveglance

Among us sus

Everyone vote Bradland

This is 100% bussing Brad if Brad is a wolf which is what I’m starting to think is the case. He wants Brad hammered way too badly to be a villager regardless of Brad’s flip.

@Magnus

Is this you biting back against being suspected by one of your scumreads when you townread May, or do you believe the post is illogical?
If you took the names out of the picture, if it was talking about other people you didn’t know, would you say the reasoning is faulty or applying it now is opportunistic? I’m trying to narrow down your answers.

It’s extremely wolfy no matter what the names are and it’s being honest. It’s like saying that the team is me and May 100%.

@Magnus

Would that mean Jaiden is Brad’s partner?

No. Furtive is. Nearly 100% certain on it.

@Magnus

Alright. Would you say Jaiden felt real in the aftermath of Zorvo flipping Town and you now having a scumlean on her slot?

Hmmm, tough to say really. GTH though, I’d say yes.

@Magnus

I’ll own the bit about keeping my options open.

Villagery admission here honestly and I like the following explaination.

@Magnus

I also figured a wolf would want to keep their options open, as I am doing here, and Furtive is tunnelled on Brad in a way that looks more likely to come from a villager than not, at least to me. Scrounging up evidence as it pops up to scumread Brad further, and this dead silence after a presvote is really the last straw. With two evils alive, I also didn’t think a wolf would attack their partner so early, nor do I think the other wolf would lie down and take it.

The only explaination possible is Brad and Furtive doing this to give Furtive towncred. See how Furtige wants Brad hammered asap? That never comes from a villager.

@Magnus

@Leafia

What’s wack is the unwarrented push on Brad just because he wanted to survive.

So why did Brad want to survive?

Maybe so he could play the game he wanted to play? Same reason everyone else wants to live.

@Magnus

You said this and posted your readlist anyway, in the same post. I like this a lot.

Well, I was more awake by the time I finished catching up. Giggles

@Magnus

Brad voted Zorvo with less than a minute to EOD, and I’m guessing within the last few seconds of the day. The day ended with Brad and Zorvo tied with three votes, and Jaiden had one vote. She wasn’t in danger of going over, so Brad wasn’t voting to save Jaiden.

I never said Brad was voting to save Jaiden. He was voting to survive.

@Magnus

It’s AI for Brad to vote elsewhere after not really speaking much the first day, on someone he didn’t mention having a scumread on. If he figured he was going to put in the effort to make up for killing a vocal player, he would’ve done so by now. It looked like he mostly cared about wasting time, which is scummy.

I’ll admit that I’ve started scumreading him a bit with how he hasn’t even spoken up yet. Also, Zorvo was his only vote option if he wanted to survive D1.

@Magnus

do you think Mafia thinks we think killing Brad immediately is a good idea?
…Well, I could see it, but the correct answer is no.

I think that was what Furtive was thinking there. Why does he want Brad at L-1 so badly? If Brad is a wolf, that just gives him the chance to swoop in and hammer himself, ending the day early.

@Magnus

@Leafia

Magnus: Debated on whether or not to put this in null or scumlean. He seems to be solving, but it feels more like he might be trying to keep misexe options open and his reads on Ice and Furtive don’t feel real in the slightest.

What do you think my read on Ice is?

Not sure. Starting to townread tou a bit though, so you’ve moved up.

@Magnus

Noted. What changes about your readlist is Brad flips W?

Furtive will be lockwolf to me if Brad flips wolf today.

@Magnus

At this point, Brad not speaking is a scumclaim. I pinged him twice because I didn’t want a villager to give up on the thread, and I know that he could’ve been doing that. The way I see it, a villager should’ve responded.

This I have to admit I agree with. He better have a really good explaination as to why he hasn’t said anything yet.

For now until that explaination comes…VOTE: Brad

[Leafia]

Going to cook and eat an early supper now. Hungry Leafeon is hungry.

[Jaiden]

it is time… ULTIMATE LAPTOP JAIDEN INITIATE

[Jaiden]

i have a laptop which doesnt crash when loading gifs now
prepare for complete annihilation

[Jaiden]

i read up I just do not care enough to respond to anything
normally id have some kind of excuse but no
im at home on my best equipment
I just really cant be bothered
if anyone has any questions I might respond to them. idk
I wasn’t given a saucer of milk, vodka, or rare pokemon cards by any of you earlier so I don’t think I have much reason to now

[furtiveglance]

Leafia is trying to set me up here…complete U-turn from calling me scum pushing town!Bradland to calling us paired. Desperate.

[May]

fell aseep

[May]

Wow imissed nothing. Thank you all for suspecnding the game while my consciousness asw suspended

[May]

Ajyway this game soooo hard to itneractw ith when #1 wagon showsup not so I really canot do very much of much here. I’mg oing to go play mahjogn if the mahgjongsoul servrs are up

[IcetFeelsPain]

@eliza it would be very funny if you gave me hammer