UFO Sighting Main Thread - Game Over (Aliens Win.)

[Litten]

lock town never rescind

[Achromatic]

Crich/rad/??? Is my current solve

Gn

[Leafia]

Good night.

[min]

LMAOO

Good luck to Jarek trying to kill me, I shaded him rightfully because he was overreacting to leafia taking his joke seriously, someone who is known to take jokes seriously.

[Jarek]

@min

someone who is known to take jokes seriously.

To be fair, I don’t actually know that.

[min]

Like I was too lazy to explain it but that’s why bc apparently it’s impossible to put 2&2 together

Anyway I’m done camping in the bathroom stall back to work time

[min]

I figured you did as you’ve played with her before, so if you didn’t I apologize for assuming

[Jarek]

I’m very bad at picking up on peoples’ meta’s tbh so if it happened I may not have picked up on it.

In any case.

VOTE: Unvote

[Rad]

I get the read on crich (I’m scum lean on him myself) but curious where you’re getting that read on me. Can you elaborate a bit?

[Jarek]

I need to step up my game I feel like I’m a circus act right now

[Leafia]

Going to head out gor RL for a bit now so talk to everyone more later.

[alana]

didn’t you townread Rad? what changed for you?

[CRichardFortressLies]

@Jarek

To be fair, I don’t actually know that.

Remind me. How many games have you played with Leafia before this game in total?

[CRichardFortressLies]

@Neon

I have never played with Wolf Achro but I have played with Achro.

No part of me thinks that Achro just foregos any semblance of distancing. I would almost always be more worried about Achro if Leafia flips town.

I’ve hosted a game Achro was in as a wolf.
He won in F3, so I wouldn’t underestimate his wolf game from that alone.

[Magnus]

@alana

oh its my second game on this site, im only here because host asked me to join

and technically leafia RVS’d jarek

Remember this for later, it’s important for context.

@alana

oh lol im the same I also openly acknowledge when im pressure voting as i think just naked voting is a bit gross

The immediate (albeit unproven) vibe from this post is “Alana would like to speak, even when it’s not doing anything.” To explain what I mean by that, since I too dislike naked votes, I’ll need to draw back to this principle with additional quotes.

@alana

I’d say Jarek vs Leafia gives me TvT vibes.

I also have a townlean on CrichardFol for meta reasons he is doing early solving and I know he can be polarized in comfort level as scum. the townread on Jarek seems nuanced

btw the list of people in this game i know are Min, litten, Neon, Crichard, and Frink. Out of those people I’ve played most with Neon (three games) with the rest i’ve played only one game. I’ve spectated a bit from Crichard and Frink when they were guests on my homesite

Initial viberead on both Jarek and Leafia, removing themselves from the debacle without completely ignoring it. Townleans CRichard for being helpful, just posting surface reads before entering the fray properly.
Achro piped in with how scum are typically honest with v/v assessments, which I could understand (as Evil, it’s easier to find Town as Town when you know they’re Town), but I think this post can also come from a villager settling in a new game.

@alana

Lol i was actually going to say this post gave me a superficial townread on you

What is happening here? Only one person, Leafia, the player under my microscope, disagreed with what I had to say there. Which, if anything, makes me concerned it’s especially wrong.

@alana

I have also seen him be underwhelming on D1 a villager. I also know from one past game that Litten has an antibus meta and probably can get cleared later on from voting scum

Alana draws on past experience to agree with Leafia on why Litten can be good. Given the wording of this and that other post about CRichard, and how this is Alana’s second game on site, Alana seems to hold confidence in metareads, at least for the early game. This could be a way to dodge reading objectively if you squint at it?

@alana

Isnt daykilling you unhelpful but nightkilling is?

@alana

Oh for some reason I thought nightkilling you would provide info to town maybe about the existence of how many members of each faction are in game because of the wording ‘I can be used as bait’

Misunderstood the Singer role. I could understand not knowing about the role immediately (I already knew about the role as a concept from Mafiawiki from last game, when I was browsing for fakeclaims), but given how others didn’t bother to look up the role either and taken at face value, this should townslip Alana. Or this could be a faked derpclear, it’s not particularly inspiring either way.

@Neon

Day killing me gives no info. Night killing me does. It is noisy beneficial to either day kill me day1 or use me as bait.

My role does give me some valuable info. There are likely multiple factions outside of town in this game.

Without researching the role in advance, Alana could foreseeable conclude “killing Neon during the night will give the information of multiple factions outside Town”. Using Neon as “bait” after loudly claiming a role Alana interpreted as being useful once nightkilled, and would therefore be left alone by evils, shouldn’t logically follow?
I don’t really like Alana’s second post up there. It’s not necessarily informative on its own, but Alana could’ve tried a derpclear right there.

@alana

I actually have him as unwritten townread for being the most solvy and the making a lot of townreads on people although I never said so because his claim is self resolving anyway

This was in response to Neon voting Achro, so this is a valid response, finding a way into a conversation without appearing unnatural. Alana saying “person acting good with a self-resolving claim is good, case closed” method is fairly straight forward. I don’t especially disagree, but the lack of doubt does make one wonder.

@alana

im amused at how im perfectly in the middle

It just means you haven’t been acting bad, but you hadn’t been overwhelming at that point in time. You’ll only rarely find polarising figures in the middle of a tierlist.

@alana

that was my same thought but it turns out to be the opposite

It also turned out the wiki actually confirms it only triggers if nightkilled, but I didn’t realise that at the time.
Responding to old neutral content, but it seemed natural, so…

@alana

lol no im not scum im just uncomfortable on this site for some reason if this is the vibe you are getting

I don’t know Alana, so I can’t read this post. But it’s interesting nonetheless.

@alana

also i dont understand why people are voting Leafia. i only understand Jarek’s reason

Given the “superficial townread” comment from before, I assumed Alana read my first post. At the very least, they know it exists. So it’s strange why Alana didn’t try asking me questions about this or anything. I’m getting commentator vibes from Alana.
…Nevermind, forgot I didn’t vote Leafia. Carry on.

@alana

Light vibe reads on Leafia, Jarek, Magnus, for the rest not really anything new other than the townread on Magnus

my townread on crichard intensified when he started sussing me over townreading him lmao

you and neon town for claims. in my experience the earliest claims are >rand town I’d also townread you just on play and because I agree to almost all of your townreads, and neons claim is suicidal if scum

leaving:
litten, frink, min, kingtroll, porsha, Gyrlander, Rad although none of them leave any impression on me

guess I’m fine with the wagon on Litten for vibe reasons although no heavy scumread there

Frink acted weirdly but in a way that isn’t scummy

the other five players dont leave any impression on me

As Evil, it’s easier to find Town as Town when you know they’re Town.
In honesty, though, I can agree with these general reads.

@alana

VOTE: Litten

Naked vote, contradicting oneself.

@alana

multiple people that game cleared litten for voting on scum so figured its common knowledge here then later in graveyard we discussed antibus meta’s ¯_(ツ)_/¯

and Litten is still closest to a scumread.

people making these kinds of reads on others reading into simply trying to explain why things are NAI for them when not even asking to be townread is getting very old TBH

At this point I’d assume Alana was settled into the thread, having entered the fray. Nice to meet you.
Alana votes Litten, posts an explanation (quoted above), and unvotes without explanation. Not long after, Alana posts this:

@alana

list is like
litten (yes I may have just unvoted due to doubts but still closest to a scumread)
Gyrlander (for not remembering any of their posts)
Porscha

Min
Frink
Rad

KingTroll
Magnus
Jarek
Leafia

Neon
Crich (even disregarding any meta his sus on me for townreading him is very towny)
Achromatic

and yes before anyone asks i do my readslists backwards since beginning of time

So Alana unvoted their strongest scumread… without any preamble or reason. Like they don’t want to dig themselves too deep. I don’t think an evil interacts this way with their partner, given how blatant this is, so I’d likely assume V/V or V/W, we’ll see how this goes.
The vote itself wasn’t bad, voting someone you previously played with over someone you don’t know, especially if you’re inclined to think they’re bad. My hypothesis of Alana using metareads is also supported here.

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@alana

I disagree on Leafia and Crich though

Fairly confident in their townreads. I think we can pay attention to whether Alana’s reads change naturally or not, if they’re like this.

@alana

annoyed as I am at his reasoning for scumreading me I actually don’t think his push is scummy. He just seems like the type of player I never get along with in games that heavily stereotypes people like me as always scummy regardless of alignment when it’s in reality a matter of personality.

@alana

ironically I’d have been less annoyed if he simply said I seemed uncomfortable and scumread me for that as hes just one stranger that doesnt know me so I would have simply shrugged about it but it seems like his main reason for scumreading me is the fact that i gave reasoning for why seeming uncomfortable compared to what neon has seen from me (I assumed neon’s read on me is meta based on that im more comfortable on the other site) are NAI for me

(Talking about Rad’s case on Alana.)
Certain players tend to occasionally express themselves in less villagery ways, as I know. The resolution is to just overwhelmingly be right and get nightkilled before it becomes a problem.

@alana

this is a nuanced take as usually people find those kinds of reactions scummy yet he comes with his own point of view

I acknowledge that he did less than I somehow remember other than this post but it being a nonconventional take means he has an actual thought process behind it imo

@alana

Like isnt the good wording but I don’t see why scum would basically reverse-omgus me rather than not talk about it and just take the townread. also in the past game I played he mostly townread people for defending him when he was scum so that is a contrast

(Talking about CRichard.)
Elaborating on that metaread is good, although I think I’d prefer if Alana interacted with a few other people as well. An evil could very well latch onto one person, and that could be happening here. It’s not inconceivable.

@alana

usually doing preflip associations early on tends to backfire imo better to try to rule associations out

Good to know.

@alana

didn’t you townread Rad? what changed for you?

@Achromatic

My town list atm
Jarek
Rad
Leafia
Magnus
Neon
Porscha
Crink

@Achromatic

Min
KingTroll
Gyrlander
Litten
Crich
alana
FRink

Currently outside my CICLE OF TRUST I will need to prod these people more.

You’re actually right, Achro did townread Rad. But this wasn’t an Achro ISO, I’d need to check separately if the shift was natural or premeditated or not.

[CRichardFortressLies]

I understand there is talk about the Singer being scum aligned, though the mafia wiki read makes me confident that isn’t the case. If Zorvo for some inexplicable reason made them scum aligned, I’ll have words with them post game.

[FRink]

Wait who is Crink

[Magnus]

I’m assuming it’s either you or CRich, both are one letter removed. But I’m not sure which one it refers to…

[FRink]

I am simultaneously town and outside the circle of trust.

[CRichardFortressLies]

@FRink

I am simultaneously town and outside the circle of trust.

Schrodinger’s Circle of Trust.