FoL Awards 2023 - Discussion Thread

[May]

@May

ONE SECONDED NOMINATION

• Best Setup
• Best Town Performance - Group (vanilla game)
• Best Town Performance - Group (special game)
• Best Scum Performance - Group (special game)
• Best Mechanical/Strategic Player
• Best Team Player
• Best All-Around Player
• Best Replacement Player
• Best Scum Performance - Single Player (special game)

Status update

[May]

Basically what I’m hearing is that we need to get good at wolfing. Perhaps we need some kind of Initiative

[Hazardwaste]

When do noms close?

[Magnus]

@Arete

The deadline for nominations is one week after the last game that began in 2023 ends.

[Luka]

I think there’s a lot of good wolfs on this forum just none of them have been nominated

[ElizaThePsycho]

@May

/nominate Stellaris: Apocalypse Mash’s war ITAs for Best Mechanic

Wars were funny! They were fun! Required a bit more coordination and consensus than traditional ITAs, a ton of roles interacted with them in fun ways (encouraging you, for example, to declare wars alongside players you trusted, or to bait town players into joining a useless war, etc), made the game interesting and unique in a way that was interesting, and unique, etc etc et al. Good stuff

as the host hard disagree they fucking sucked

[ElizaThePsycho]

conceptually they were… okay
not the best
but they were okay

[May]

Get nominated idiot

[ElizaThePsycho]

idk tho
I kinda think there’s not many improvements you could make
other than like
if someone gets like 5 people declaring war on them the war instantly processes?

[May]

I tthink wars independently Themselves were jsut okay but I specifically liked the way that having the unique ITA mechanic allowed for more creativity in role design

[ElizaThePsycho]

this is actually genuinely a big improvement
but otherwise see my thoughts here

@ElizaThePsycho

thoughts regarding war declarations
I initially stole this mechanic from Daeron’s Star Wars Mash, because i thought it would be flavorful for a Stellaris mash
indeed, through the many variations of a Stellaris mash it is the only thing that has remained the same; the formulas have changed many times, but the general idea of ganging up and fighting back has remained
but now im not so sure if its an actually good mechanic

see, the mechanic encourages cooperation between town (at least with the current formulas), but i also really do not like the idea of randomly dying because you used your ITAs. but this is a core part of the mechanic! if it wasn’t there it’d just be ITAs but better
so idk

[ElizaThePsycho]

ah fair

[ElizaThePsycho]

(mostly the last part)

[ElizaThePsycho]

luckily no one actually died to being an attacker but this is mostly because of tutuu and Someone

[May]

Like the Warcop and the war rolecop (which allowed for Someone’s fakeclaim which creatuvely wasted town KP) and tutuu’s role causing her to seek specific players to declare war with and the silent ITAs that let wolves decide whether to “stamp of approval” existing wars or create their own for a lower chance and such were fun interactions that allowed for like. Emergent strategy

[May]

My enjoyment of it is obviously influenced by the fact that no attackers died but I think the game was designed such that attacker death was mostly an empty threat to encourage cooperation rather than an actual common occurrence, and it has to be Present to make all those mechanics I mentioned Interesting, y’know

[Litten]

I think for a game to stand out it has to have some sort of unique mechanic, otherwise it’s mainly just a bland game, no matter how many interesting roles you try to come up with, their overall impression will never be greater than the impression of something new. I think this is why games hosted by eevee are usually chaotic fun messes because they are all unique in some sense. I think the war mechanic did a good job at this.

[ElizaThePsycho]

Yeah fair
7% chance moment

[Litten]

I’ll never get over when I hit someone with a 1% ita chance as a wolf.

[May]

I’ll never get over when I Don’t hit someone with an 80% ITA chance as a wolf