Pokemon Xros Wars Game Over Mafia Victory

[Leafia]

Only villagers can be lhf.

[Lucyfer]

I think they are a villager, maybe
but that was also before their posts today started spooking me

[Leafia]

Seriously doubt it right now.

[Lucyfer]

Eevee
Dum
LadyLambdaDelta
Nokiel
Jar
KingTroll
Olivest

im still assuming their is always a wolf in the previouslly unclaimed

[Leafia]

Although the way Jar is acting is making me think there’s a possibility that the wolves set everything up so that I’d deathtunnel Eliza because they didn’t want to have her softconfirmed…

Hmmm, I’ll need to think things through.

More sure on this being a wolf though right now.

VOTE: Jar

[Magnus]

@Leafia I’m pinging you because you’re my designated partner today. Without looking too far into the past, my level zero read is that Olivest is just a wolf; I see a lot of pointless posts in their ISO, or pointless questions supposed to make them look good, with minimal reads.
These are pretty much the only posts I cared about when looking at Olivest’s ISO, and both May and Jaiden are far more capable villagers than this.

@Olivest

First of all, explain what you meant here:

@Zorvo

Finally!!!

Is what I wish I could say.

@Zorvo

I mean I guess my roles alright but eh.

This sounds weird as hell to me! It’s a very unnatural opener trying way too hard to seem like something somebody would actually say! Why are you using your lying voice in your opening post. Surely you could wait a little first.

@Zorvo

Wisp is Over Rated.

I like Chad, he is Under Rated.

I do not care about people’s relative position with regard to “Rated”

@Zorvo

Holy fuck! Why did you do that?!!!???

VOTE: Jar

Stop calling me a loooooser in wolf chat.

Again, unnatural. Unnatural unnatural unnatural. This is your lying voice. You are telling lies, not even in the sense that Jar isn’t calling you a loser in wolf chat, but in the sense that you’re typing things into this online text box in an attempt to seem normal, rather than in an attempt to type things into this online text box (Good and Pure Poasting).

@Zorvo

@LadyLambdaDelta

VOTE: 2wolves

this then?
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VOTE: 2wolves

I’ll sheep this considering Lady took at the entire wolf team last game and had zero reads wrong.

Come on. Get some real opinions. This is weak-ass shit and you are a wolf

VOTE: Zorvo

@Olivest

VOTE: ElizathePsycho
Waiting for you to gain sentience and form actual opinions

@Olivest

I really hate how zorvo is a wagon, they are behaving exactly how i would expect him to. Im not sure if he is town or not yet, but zorvo is a exceptionally analytical player, which from what i have seen of him likes to play with mechanics. The way they are acting here (especially when they go "im just trolling because lol SoD1) is exactly what i would expect from someone with the mindset i think they have. Plus, if they say they can mechanically find a wolf tonight i belive it, i think its a shitty wagon

@Olivest

Alright, Jarek elaboration time. Usually, when Jarek comes into a game as town, they will have an attitude of not caring much about D1, but they still interact with the game to an extent. They don’t have this sort of… complete lack of care that they’re showing right now. For example, look at these posts:

@Jarek

lynchproof miller that’s a good one

@Jarek

VOTE: beancat

Here’s their opener from Starcraft - they commented on a roleclaim and placed a vote. That’s real interaction with others, and it displays a towny investment in how the first day goes. Sure, they’re concise and laidback about it, but they… care. I think what Jarek’s doing right now is an attempt to imitate their attitude as town, and a failed one at that, as they’re clearly either too nervous or too disinterested in the outcome of the day to make real commentary.

@Jarek

Hello friends have we literally just started because that’s awesome

@Jarek

I’m town that’s about all I need to say I’m trash at this game and I will die

@Jarek

Would anybody complain if I randomly parked my vote on someone

@Jarek

/vote @neon

No just someone random on the list for no particular reason

Even in Flicker, they engaged with the game, placing an RVS vote and later talking more about what was going on. The Jarek we have here… isn’t doing that. They’re not saying anything meaningful, because they don’t care who dies as long as it’s not one of their wolfbuddies. This implies that, given Jarek’s a wolf, there’s at least one townie in Zorvo and 2Wolves at the moment, which means that Jarek would be a helpful flip for today, too.

I’ve gone on about how Jarek’s not engaged with the game at all, but let’s take a look through what they have said:

@Jarek

we did win last game

This opener implies that Jarek was sitting around, reading what people were saying, and not giving a shit, then suddenly saw someone say something deserving of a correction, and then made it on impulse. As a wolf, I often find myself having to restrain myself from doing the same thing - correcting people who are wrong when I’m lurking, and it seems Jarek gave into that temptation today. Basically, what I’m saying is “wolfy pop-in”.

@Jarek

@Jarek

Are you voting me I can’t tell

This is the slimiest response I have ever seen. No response to my comment about the opener, immediately goes for a discredit on the second person on the wagon and then attempts to discredit me based on never having seen me before, including doing some fairly overt manipulation of expectations.

This isn’t how town responds to a vote. Town seeks to see if the push is town or not, town seeks other scum if they are going to ignore it. This does neither. It doesn’t attempt to sort Z or I, it doesn’t show an intent to seek scum reads in the game elsewhere. This is pure survivalism for the sake of survivalism and lacks town motivation.

@Jarek

Everyone being a pokemon nerd and me joining knowing nothing about pokemon

This… contributes nothing, it’s a post for the sake of a post, and it again betrays that Jarek is reading without bothering to think or analyse.

@Jarek

You know because it’s Eliza that kinda do just be how it’ll be

This is anti-solving. This is taking a vote that I made and saying “well you shouldn’t do that, you should stop trying to solve this slot”, and not providing any kind of alternative thoughts or narrative. Jarek is just sitting here watching townies do stuff, and shooting down any analysis they think they can hit.

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@Olivest

REMINDER: POLICYING ZORVO IS ALWAYS VALID

Zorvo is like spilt chocolate milk in edges
It isn’t actively noticeable at first but if you don’t clean it up you are stuck with curdling chocolate milk smell that is impossible to clean away

If we don’t kill him in the first 2 days we have to accept he’s endgaming
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lol

Everything I could say about this, I’ve said before. Trying too hard to seem laidback. Reading without solving. You know the drill.

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@Frostwolf103

The votes doesn’t seem connected to each other though, to be blunt.
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Is anything ever going to be connected on D1

I am eternally pessimistic on any information you could possibly hope to gain before an execution and/or death happens to give a hint to things to come

@Jarek

@Olivest

I really hate how zorvo is a wagon, they are behaving exactly how i would expect him to. Im not sure if he is town or not yet, but zorvo is a exceptionally analytical player, which from what i have seen of him likes to play with mechanics. The way they are acting here (especially when they go "im just trolling because lol SoD1) is exactly what i would expect from someone with the mindset i think they have. Plus, if they say they can mechanically find a wolf tonight i belive it, i think its a shitty wagon
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@Dum

I really hate how zorvo is a wagon, they are behaving exactly how i would expect him to. Im not sure if he is town or not yet, but zorvo is a exceptionally analytical player, which from what i have seen of him likes to play with mechanics. The way they are acting here (especially when they go "im just trolling because lol SoD1) is exactly what i would expect from someone with the mindset i think they have. Plus, if they say they can mechanically find a wolf tonight i belive it, i think its a shitty wagon

Trolling on D1 is expected and encouraged because it makes the people who think there is any merit in D1 mad and that’s funny.

Still anti-solving! Still being an active drag on anyone who’s trying to do anything ! This isn’t the Jarek I’ve seen in previous games, it’s an attempt to imitate the things that people have criticised them for without truly understanding why, alongside an attempt to do the natural mafia behavior of “stopping townies from solving”.

@Jarek

Erm actually I have a 50 page essay on why 1 random joke post you made upon entering the thread is actually extremely wolfy???

so you said “hi” and that’s really evil and implies you’re nervous…

You won’t deter me with a nerd face, no matter how hard you try. I fucking know already, Jarek. I know.

@Jarek

I really hate how Jarek is a wagon, they are behaving exactly how i would expect him to. Im not sure if he is town or not yet, but Jarek is a exceptionally analytical player, which from what i have seen of him likes to play with mechanics. The way they are acting here (especially when they go "im just trolling because lol SoD1) is exactly what i would expect from someone with the mindset i think they have. Plus, if they say they can mechanically find a wolf tonight i belive it, i think its a shitty wagon

Every time I see town Jarek, they react in a very specific way to getting voted, and it’s not “immediately posting an uninspired copypasta about it”. This is not the town Jarek I know!

@Jarek

A D1 wallpost when I have 12 posts including this one

oh my god

Again, trying to deter cases on them. I can do anything I want. I can wallpost about twelve posts. I can wallpost about one. You would underestimate me? Death.

@Jarek

Wallposting me is the best way to get me to solve the game in 5 minutes probably idk

I have a track record of being wallposted then suddenly being active

And now they appear to notice how that last post looks, and follow it up with a little takebacksies. It’s a quick and unnatural swap in attitude that clearly came from not wanting to look wolfy , something I’ve never known v!Jarek to care about enough to change their playstyle.

@Jarek

I am a mega-chad who has deep intricate meaning in everything I say. Truly I am a 500 IQ mastermind whose mind is an enigma to everyone but myself.

Yeah well I’m a 1000 IQ mastermind and my mind is a labyrinth to everyone including myself So There

@Jarek

To be fair I was and still am scum-read for being myself and not adhering to the meta’s that people seem to have

Weaaaaksauuucee. V!Jarek says this, sure, but not in this tone. Not in this way. You’re trying too hard to remember what you’d say as a townie and imitate it, and you’re doing so poorly. Wolf

@Olivest

For the record, the entire dissonance thing was a bit and we were fucking around and Jaiden has been online this entire time, as have I, and we have been laughing about it in hydra chat for twenty minutes now. Voting Jarek in the first place was Jaiden’s idea. You got baited

@Olivest

• You are a wolf largely because of your opportunism in voting for both Zorvo and Jarek. I know, I know, opportunism is a commonly-thrown-around buzzword, but it’s often felt that your vote is placed more out of a sense of obligation toward the thread than creative solving. It’s like… you see a case, you see consensus, and go “I should check that out if all those townies agree”. Your readlist, when it happened, was safe and generally in line with thread consensus, and you didn’t even provide your own reasoning for those reads.
• The specific post was that you said that my headposting was scummy “if you think about it really hard”. That’s a phrase that distances yourself from your own opinion in a way that wolves love - it felt like you were putting a thought out there to see if other people, ideally townies, would “bite” on pushing the people who were going after you.
• Everything that happens on D1 is bait. There is just not enough information to be completely confident on the cases you’re making, so I just… push whatever seems informative, then gauge the way people treat it (arguably, I do this the entire game). The Jarek scumcase being bait doesn’t mean it wasn’t, at least in part, serious in the moment, it just means that I was entirely willing to pivot off of it if someone reacted in a way that I thought was suspicious.
• Taking the game entirely seriously 100% of the time is unnecessary. Revealing all of your reasons for something 100% of the time is unnecessary. People are free to pressure me to talk more if they’d like, but I think it’s informative to not provide full details and see what they press on - it betrays their sense of attention, which is great for hunting partnerships. My vote on Jarek was not a meme, it was a means to an end, and that end was suspecting you (not to imply that’s the end of the road for my view of the game, just that it’s where I’m at right now).

@Olivest

To note:
Lucyfer, earlier, only started putting any amount of pressure on me after stellaluna voted me for nonsense reasons
I believe stellaluna might’ve noticed it? Idk
Either way that doesn’t look like s/s to me

@Olivest

I don’t think you’ve been towny once this game and I’m done giving you the benefit the doubt
VOTE: Stellaluna

@Olivest

Stellaluna’s treatment of our fight felt off to me - I’m not sure why she thought that there was ~always a wolf in our fight, when it was… very much what seemed like a playstyle clash to me. Her logic felt filled-back from the conclusion, like she wanted to say there was a wolf there because, y’know, agenda, and then had to make it up later.

Of course, this conclusion relies on you being a villager, which segues nicely into my next point - I think others’ treatment of her slot has been interesting and I think it would be pretty telling. There’s a lot of material for alignment reads around a Stellaluna flip whichever way it goes.

To be clear, I don’t want to make it seem like that singular moment is the only thing making me vote here - their behavior has also been consistently wolfy to my eye throughout the game - but that’s the most succinct, crystalized point I can make about it, y’know?

@Olivest

Sure
VOTE: Stellaluna
I have so much to say about this slot but I’ve said quite a bit of it to some degree

@Olivest

Townread
Rajidae
KingTroll
Zorvo
Frostwolf

Townlean
ElizaThePsycho
Lucyfer
Neon
Nokiel
LadyLambdaDelta
Jarek

Scumread
Stellaluna
Eevee
Jar
Dum

Fuck neutrality. Society has progressed past the need for neutrality.

@Olivest

Elizas vote is about my misinterpretation of rajidae’s post saying she didn’t believe it (??? I’ve went into why this silly, don’t think I ever got a response), and the may jarek wall which while confusing doesn’t make much sense, she admits to not have read it and I doubt she read anything around it which sucks
As already stated, the walk was meant to be somewhat silly, something something a solid read came out of it
That’s Mays thing though, I’ve not been paying much attention to jarek so I don’t think I can give a full explanation of the situation there

but at least there’s kind of a reason there

@Olivest

Rajidae, say I go outside and immediately get struck by a red Ford Fiesta going 90 mph driving on the sidewalk, killing me instantly. The driver is unknown and on the run. Who, in this game would you say is most likely to be the driver?

Bonus - my mafia license fell out of my pocket as i got thrown into the air, revealing my alignment. Who would it implicate as scum the most if it said A: I was scum and B: I was town on it?

@Olivest

@Rajidae

Eliza because she’s voiced suspicions on you, and while I don’t think they’re coming from a wolf pov, she’d probably want to kill you

Setting aside the red Fiesta, do you think that Eliza can kill in this game?

@Rajidae

Lucy because they have deepwolf equity, and I can absolutely see them murdering you in cold blood and booking it from the crime scene before anyone knows what’s happening

Do you think the kill on us would be particularly beneficial for Lucyfer? What would their goals be in killing us - would they be trying to frame someone else in particular by doing so, make a kill that draws suspicion away from themselves, or just take us out of the game?

@KingTroll

stella seems the most likely to kill you regardless of alignment the two of you have been butting heads for a good amount of both day 1 and 2 and they obviously got genuinely aggravated about it

If Stellaluna made this kill, do you think it’d be one that would actually mechanically benefit them, or would it just be out of frustration? Do you think they’re the type to kill someone because they’re aggravating?

@KingTroll

if you’re town than either people who were buttering up to you for the pocket i’d probably clear the entire… randomly appearing wagon you had for the exact opposite reason

Interesting. So you think that none of the wolves would have gone for that wagon, as it was on a loud town voice and would have been pretty scrutinized if we flipped? Why didn’t I think of that?

@KingTroll

of course the real answer is that may killed you to assume full control of the hydra and hoard the candles for themselves

That’s ridiculous. I’d never do that. Don’t ask why we’re suddenly using better grammar here, this is still Jaiden, alive. Living Jaiden.

@Olivest

Hiiiii Magnus please fix the game for me ok thanks bye

[Olivest]

I am awake for the first time in days. We are going to my comfort zone and staying there.

@LadyLambdaDelta Is there any particular reason why you ended up not voting yesterday? If you could go back and place a vote for that day, would you, and if so, who would it be on?

@KingTroll Given you hard townread him, how do you think the wolves are treating Jar’s slot at the moment? If you had to pick a wolf out of the players on his wagon at EoD2, who would it be?

@Leafia You’ve said Jar, Eliza, and KT (to a lesser extent) are your top wolves. Do you think it’s possible for all of them to be wolves together, or do you think at least some are unaligned?

@Magnus I know you just got here, but if you could give a soulread from what you’ve gotten here, not based on m- Hi. You just pinged me I see the answer to this question now. Youve stolen it from my mind, which I think qualifies as cheating at mafia, but we’ll disregard that for now

[Magnus]

I can smell the G-fuel on your clothes.

[Jarek]

@Magnus

Everything I could say about this, I’ve said before. Trying too hard to seem laidback. Reading without solving. You know the drill.

[Jar]

instead of paying attention to my individual posts,which i consider to be inefficient you should look into how i am interacting with other people. this way you could find who i am trying to save as a wolf or villager.

[Magnus]

I’ll learn to live without the like function.

[Lucyfer]

plz stop talking through lens of going either way, its not helping me what so ever, in terms of reading you. Realistically I think u understand more than you are showing in the thread, and actually I do at times think you seem to come off as knowing too much and Idk how, without you just being a wolf

and I’m not to keen on your handling of Raj’s slot

[Olivest]

This is an acceptable read, given you did not experience the agonies of the first few days of this game and therefore do not have an understanding of how that might affect one’s behaviour. Or two’s behaviour. But I will inform you that the effect was Not Good

[Lucyfer]

me right now

[Magnus]

You have collectively put in less effort than I would expect from either of you as a villager, from what I’ve seen. There’s a difference between looking villagery and being villagery, with the latter sometimes looking scummy (territory I’m quite familiar with), but your slot seemed more attentive on being the former.
VOTE: Olivest.

We are doing late RVS this game.
- Magnus.

[Lucyfer]

@ElizaThePsycho
when u chose to poison Stella, did u you or did u not read their posts at EoD, basically claiming to be a possible investigation role?

[Leafia]

You honestly might be on to something there. Olivest’s posts seem unnatural for both of them. Sure, I’ll be your partner and even give you a townlean in the process for this effort for now.

@Olivest

@Leafia You’ve said Jar, Eliza, and KT (to a lesser extent) are your top wolves. Do you think it’s possible for all of them to be wolves together, or do you think at least some are unaligned?

Hmmm, all three of them being wolves together seems a bit off to me but it’s a possibility. More likely though is two of the three being a wolf and those three always contain at least one wolf I think.

[Leafia]

Going to call it a night now too so good night everyone.

[Lucyfer]

@Jar

which i consider to be inefficient you should look into how i am interacting with other people

yes and I think u should die for your treatment of Raj to be brutally honest

[Magnus]

I don’t need to necessarily townlean you to work with you. I respect you.
I scumlean Olivest because I respect May and Jaiden both and know they could do better.