I see no reasons why I should doubt my townlean the leafia/tutuu slot. I like the energy behind tutuu’s posts, which I think comes from a villager excited to solve.
Tutuu is just town here always town here
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I like this as an option, ngl
I will wagon them
VOTE: hazardwaste
Having skimmed theur iso idk if this is good anymore
Ok, I feel like I should clarify what my thought process there was.
My attention was mainly focused on analyzing the Grand Ideas thread in case there were things that we needed to keep an eye on, specifically in terms of anticlaim or just wacky roles in general. I saw Jason’s post, noted that it was my exact strategy in Combinatorics D1. skimmed meow and Willow, and didn’t see anything that I would consider materially town. Combine this with the fact that I saw Willow posting random roles right after finding the existence of DuckQueen, and I was in a position to argue what I did. I wasn’t attempting to make an argument in and of itself because that wasn’t my focus, and I expected to come back and evaluate socials after I was done.
I do this the following day:
Willow Posts
Town - Game 1
Town - Game 2
Town - Popcorny Turbo
These are posts that are very reactive to threadstate at the time, where Willow doesn’t really attempt to influence it as much as she lets it influence her.
Countered by:
Anti-Town - April Showers The Third
Anti-Town - ToS3
Her town posts feel very carefree while her wolf (conflating wolf with anti-town here, but I don’t feel her tactics would change between the two) posts feel like she’s pressured to do things, pressured to not underperform.
This is why I backtrack and agree with Jason: his read was correct, but he filed her as a townread without viewing it in the context of Willow’s difference in playstyle. The distinction is the difference between a handwave and a more thorough examination, and my ‘concession’ is meant to say, “He is correct, even if his approach was wrong.”
meow Posts
Town Meow
Game 1
although maybe would be against people I’ve missed interacting with being d1 voted out (ignore that I’m voting {person} right now hm)
from what I’ve seen, not the biggest fan of the {Carbon} fixation on {person} right now but it’s probably not mafia behavior I guess
agree {person} is most likely of the list but not convinced the coincidence is hard evidence of {person} being linked
Game 2
he hasn’t rolled maf/played recently enough for it to be a reliable one/surely he’d fix it if so, but I am currently fine townreading him
it’s me leaving a backdoor in case he’s actually mafia naturally
like I could be biased and wrong and this could just be feeding into my town {person} memories or whatever but {person} is usually pretty transparently town
Game 3
think {Aurora} and {Chef} are both fine for now, {Chef} feels {Chef} and I think there’s some towncred in {Aurora} saying their action was flavorchefable from their name
Game 4
I’m not actually sure why he claimed that in the first place
maybe a {person} thing
I kinda agree w/ {Gummy} about {Chef}/vaguely think I owe him some revenge, but also that would require convincing other people to vote him, and I don’t care enough to do it right now
Mafia Meow
not going to lie, I’m tempted to [vote] {person} again
that seems mean though
{Ben} always has these aggressive vibes I do not vibe with
actually I was about to say I forgot that {Chef} is always a comfortable d1 vote
SK Meow (filing this alongside the Mafia Meow posts because win condition was to kill 4 players)
yes and people don’t want to just vote random people in fear of getting sussed or whatever
not all of us have already categorized the current playerbase into a tierlist
my personal reason is just that I want {Chef} to get a chance to play (and I’ve gotten over shakespeare since I didn’t play the last game with {Chef} {Chef}-ing)
I feel the more aggressive personality of w!meow shows itself here in ways that it doesn’t show itself in this game.
Jason Posts
Town Jason
Game 1
Game 2
Mafia Jason
Game 1
{meow}-
if town: claiming miller at start of game is the standard play
if mafia: risks being counterclaimed by actual miller and being pushed out d1
{person}-
if town: claiming miller at start of game is standard play, having two millers in a game is strange but not unheard of
if mafia: potential ploy to avoid redcheck, would not have anticipated being counterclaimed by {other person}
{other person}-
if town: standard play etc, even if two other millers have claimed
if mafia: extremely risky play given that two millers being present is already strange
i think im expressing my thoughts badly but i think if one of the millers is mafia, it prob is {person}?
{person} is also prob the most likely to fakeclaim miller from a playstyle perspective
Game 2
Bold of you to assume {Chef} would read his roletext
Wasn’t there that one game where he didn’t read and got vanillized d1
Oh there was a bit in one of the games in which {person} played where people voted him d1 and people started doing it in games where {person} wasn’t playing
Perhaps {meow} is to blame (citation needed)
i think {person} and {Aurora} could also help if im not around
real
welp
i wonder if there are any botc-lite roles
There’s a sharp contrast between how Jason locks in for town games versus being more vapid for mafia games, and imo, I’ve seen more of the former in this game.
Carbon Posts
Town Carbon
Game 1
Jfc where are there so many messages alr.
I’m in the right chat {Ben} I swear
it’s not like
yk
I am going to finish my mother’s process of dinner, I will read more tomorrow
I am feeling so devious this game
I do not understand a word of what my roletext says! But we vibing
I think this one is more to the effect of I have smolbrain, physics makes no sense to me (why did I [redacting because possibly doxxing]) and also I am fuzzybrained
what’s good
you’re dying tonight
Game 2
there are innocent wittle hsers here {Ash} >:(
oh my lord
please
end this alr
can i vote {person} j to end me seeing this role
(it’s for nothing else i promise)
Game 3
What happened last night
hi sorry
Have been busy all morning and also {GM} started the game at a terrible time
And he’s decided to make fun of me to start the game
yep yep ofc
j uh give me a bit
I have a lot on my plate rn and am just trying to not get activity-warned
Mafia Carbon
Game 1
Game 2
Welcome to mafia {person}!
I want that listi should read up on lore
Anyway {person} since on Day 1 we have no mechanical info to work with
We are doing social reads or fooling around :)
I take it {meow} just dumped you in here? (in a good way)
Do you want me to vote you instead?
I fear you too
it’s like my character
like everyone is sus of my character
so hence i’m a miller
idk hsr don’t come after me for lore
oh man maybe i should turn you into my joke vote /j
no {person} to bully
W friend
When I get my role channel
I check my alignment first
everything else is secondary
I can safely say i breathed a nice sigh of relief
mafia of course
w!Carbon kinda just says things for the sake of saying things, and I don’t get the sense that Carbon is doing that this game, hence why I’m townreading her.
This completely ignores the everything surrounding it.
Three of the four people in that post are people I was in thread interacting with and also the highest posters in the game. I am making a note that I am townreading these people at the moment but should reevaluate at a later point in case I am being convinced by the current threadstate and the amount of back-and-forth we have done.
It would be a significantly larger red flag if I chose to ignore the fact that my entire PoE consists of people who hadn’t posted nearly as much. I’ve done this before in Wrogn 2. You’ve made the presumption that I’ve already planned to scumread Willow down the line and am using this as cover without considering the wider context of why I would make a post like this.
Yes; the Catboy role exists and is town.
One of, like, three roles that can make a neighborhood/separate chat, but the other two add multiple people at a time, so it’d be next to impossible to fake that role as mafia without actually having it through Innocent Child.
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sorry I couldn’t fall asleep for like two hours last night off the mafia adrenaline (IT’S ONLY D1 WHY) and then passed out for like 10 hours
will backread etc.
why is each specific person getting voted besides marluna my qbcorders noo
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I feel she’d only claim what she did in #38 right out the gate as mafia if she had a fakeclaim prepared, and given the surrounding context, I don’t feel that she have felt the need to breadcrumb that hard immediately, doubly so since her response came right after Willow asked about the Deception roles and thus would’ve given her little time to consider what that optionality narrows things down into.
but if you join our circuit, you can access all our games for the low price of spending your entire summer in silly unbalanced games
LOUDIFY I love that role so much. yeah I think every game I’ve played in with you/spectated you’ve been town. you can send the games if like, ash, wants to backread them, I’m too lazy to analyze games for meta
how do people usually format backreading posts is it one long post or a bunch of replies
I didn’t read it as this, but I see your point
I guess, but I’m also like, not a fan of the vote(+some willow paranoia I had last night I’ll explain later). and like what other justification could mafia use to push marluna besides “could be mafia innocent child.”
I guess jason did it though social analysis
I explained it to gummy right below. also willow had a numbered post about it that was pretty good.
willow didn’t even post thoughts besides marluna I think. agree on daeron he is moving up I love posters
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Ok part of me wants to vote pandora bc other than zoe idt they’ve progressed meaningfully (?) but I feel like I should vote into one of the existing wagons since we’re 2.5 hrs from eod
Carbon is making an effort to make reads that are somewhat sensible instead of floating in thread.
Ash seems fine enough for the moment, at least their posting isn’t bleeding tmi like their posts were in kittens combinatorics. I did think it was odd that he was making reads and prodding people for their reads but not doing anything with those reads, but he did do that in his most recent qbcord town game so idk if it’s ai.
I’ve made my case for town marluna earlier.
I could see w!hazard i suppose as someone flying under the radar, thinking back I can’t really remember any of their posts or positions standing out.
Of the wagons my preference would be
Hazard > carbon = ash > marluna
VOTE: Hazardwaste
j fwiw you didn’t block out when it said “chinmay.” which isn’t me but yk lol.
she finally becomes the grandmotherly figure /j
if there’s something specific you want i can grab it for you (sorry i just point blank didn’t see this)
i’m still not forgetting the progression of why Hazard is the most viable of your options
(and while i also feel like hazard’s positions are a bit weaker i feel like there’s a bit of a logical ? when you said “I could see… as someone flying under the radar”
I’m aware.
I was just lazy and didn’t want to have to throw it into the Google Sheet formatter.
i also feel like the posts you cited also comes with the slight problem of that the mafia game you chose to cite came when i wasn’t working full-time and i feel like this isn’t necessarily alignment indicative of me?
I also felt this a bit. the spec chat reads feel equivalent to another player with clout making reads that I instantly internalize bc they are Competent players
not directed to you jason exactly, and I don’t think it matters too much d1, but I think there is a potential trap we can fall into of using spec reads to justify pushes bc it shifts the accountability to spec chat rather than ourselves, which makes it easier for mafia to cherrypick people of the spec chat pushes.
this is in-character for town jason. he’s had some trauma with gummy pocketing him. could be faked but it’s not uncharacteristic
okay this is. a good point when you frame it like this. it still disagrees with my like general jason towny vibes from the posting style because I would be on guard if jason wasn’t indecisive (but I am regaining my paranoia about why he towned me so easily) [I need to collect my thoughts about this later and not clutter this post too much I think?]
holy I’m laughing so so hard right now. jason you better at least add salt and soy sauce 
yeah I fully admit I’m in a large part doing the same here.
why aren’t you wary of me. have you never had a mafia meow game. also when’d you play a wolf ash game.
can vouch that this is a true part of the jason mafia character arc development. but do want to acknowledge the potential for this to be an easy way out for mafia. jason if you remember how you and [person] deathtunnelled each other in games until that game when they called a truce and stopped deathtunneling you off trying to reduce tunneling, and they ended up being mafia
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altho i do agree in this general assessment which is why i had (initially) sussed meow for making a read so quick and early and then sticking with it for a bit.
and that is also why i moved meow back into a more favorable position after her posts then i think softened out some
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Are there w!Carbon games where you have been gainfully employed?
Like, I’m attempting to compare playstyles across games, and I do feel I’ve established that even without working full-time, you have differences that persist.