(im not asserting my reads, the only thing im asserting is the theory that existence of real wagons = good)
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not this early on no. neutral on pandora and (atm) favorable on meow
i love how all of qbcord just. went to sleep in the clear difference of qbcord post saturation
three seconds from making a STRONG joke here.
? either you need more sleep or something
good posting. and also subsequent posts in general. looks good for daeron. favorable slot.
sorry iām not following this line of thinking can you rephrase like this vote doesnāt make that much sense to me based on your progression and how definitive this is
justification?
as someone who keeps randing wolf w/jason in qbcord (altho def not here ofc) i havenāt stood on the other rside of the spectrum a lot in my recent memory so idk how much help i can be here. heās solid tho in gen as a player
i just felt like meow (and honestly most of qbcord) doesnāt jump to reads so quickly off of so few posts. although i can definitely (and i did) rescind that initial take after seeing some other posting
From a recent spreadsheet records:
SURVIVAL RATE:
D2 (dayvig)
D1 (dayvig)
D1
D2
D4
N1
i feel like this is nai from gummy
i usually do 4:1 i thought it was more often 4:1 than not
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hang on why am i being voted. again. SPEED RUN THE DAY 1 DEATHS BABY (last qbcord game i died on day 1)
in all seriousness tutuuās posting is not half bad. doesnāt mean i agree with them though
i once again am against giving concrete reads on day 1 but my response to Ash is still a bit more on the negative side than the positive side. no this isnāt even based off of the w!ash meta i just feel kinda ugh because I donāt 1) see anything to give me to townread them and 2) I still feel like itās a tad aggressive the interaction with gummy.
VOTE: Ash
in terms of people i havenāt said anything about at any point
willow - slot seems fine enough
pandora - needs more substance. would like to revisit.
zoe - slot seems okay
leafiaā>tutuu - slot seems fine enough
hazard - slot seem sokay
marluna - [i didnāt iso this slot]
also i wonāt be around for eod. this is one of the stranger eod times iāve played with loll. unfortunately i have things to do during the day
and also regarding tutuu mentioning wagons oi usually donāt pop my vote until later on in the phase.
ok iām going back to work
I donāt really know.
MAybe checking my mafia games, if I am acting differently than there could be a good idea?
(I remember my mafia games more than my villa games, tbhā¦ Knight errant, Cat combinatorics, April reconstructed, and planet 9-er, are the main ones I would say represent most of my mafia games. I would say so.)
My most current town games (beside Ice cream) was FAM 5, I think. And Wrogn, probably.
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Ok iāve skimmed through two town games and two maf games. I wasnāt aware that you tended not to make d1 reads, which your previous games back up.
This seems to be true based on the games I looked at.
I think this is towny as well. I think this comes from a villager who wants to contribute to the game as best as they can (even w/o making reads) and is frustrated that they are being wolfread despite that, and Iām having trouble imagining a wolf saying this.
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As soon as i figure out how to unvoteā¦
UNVOTE
I see no reasons why I should doubt my townlean the leafia/tutuu slot. I like the energy behind tutuuās posts, which I think comes from a villager excited to solve.
Tutuu is just town here always town here
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I like this as an option, ngl
I will wagon them
VOTE: hazardwaste
Having skimmed theur iso idk if this is good anymore
Ok, I feel like I should clarify what my thought process there was.
My attention was mainly focused on analyzing the Grand Ideas thread in case there were things that we needed to keep an eye on, specifically in terms of anticlaim or just wacky roles in general. I saw Jasonās post, noted that it was my exact strategy in Combinatorics D1. skimmed meow and Willow, and didnāt see anything that I would consider materially town. Combine this with the fact that I saw Willow posting random roles right after finding the existence of DuckQueen, and I was in a position to argue what I did. I wasnāt attempting to make an argument in and of itself because that wasnāt my focus, and I expected to come back and evaluate socials after I was done.
I do this the following day:
Willow Posts
Town - Game 1
Town - Game 2
Town - Popcorny Turbo
These are posts that are very reactive to threadstate at the time, where Willow doesnāt really attempt to influence it as much as she lets it influence her.
Countered by:
Anti-Town - April Showers The Third
Anti-Town - ToS3
Her town posts feel very carefree while her wolf (conflating wolf with anti-town here, but I donāt feel her tactics would change between the two) posts feel like sheās pressured to do things, pressured to not underperform.
This is why I backtrack and agree with Jason: his read was correct, but he filed her as a townread without viewing it in the context of Willowās difference in playstyle. The distinction is the difference between a handwave and a more thorough examination, and my āconcessionā is meant to say, āHe is correct, even if his approach was wrong.ā
meow Posts
Town Meow
Game 1
although maybe would be against people Iāve missed interacting with being d1 voted out (ignore that Iām voting {person} right now hm)
from what Iāve seen, not the biggest fan of the {Carbon} fixation on {person} right now but itās probably not mafia behavior I guess
agree {person} is most likely of the list but not convinced the coincidence is hard evidence of {person} being linked
Game 2
he hasnāt rolled maf/played recently enough for it to be a reliable one/surely heād fix it if so, but I am currently fine townreading him
itās me leaving a backdoor in case heās actually mafia naturally
like I could be biased and wrong and this could just be feeding into my town {person} memories or whatever but {person} is usually pretty transparently town
Game 3
think {Aurora} and {Chef} are both fine for now, {Chef} feels {Chef} and I think thereās some towncred in {Aurora} saying their action was flavorchefable from their name
Game 4
Iām not actually sure why he claimed that in the first place
maybe a {person} thing
I kinda agree w/ {Gummy} about {Chef}/vaguely think I owe him some revenge, but also that would require convincing other people to vote him, and I donāt care enough to do it right now
Mafia Meow
not going to lie, Iām tempted to [vote] {person} again
that seems mean though
{Ben} always has these aggressive vibes I do not vibe with
actually I was about to say I forgot that {Chef} is always a comfortable d1 vote
SK Meow (filing this alongside the Mafia Meow posts because win condition was to kill 4 players)
yes and people donāt want to just vote random people in fear of getting sussed or whatever
not all of us have already categorized the current playerbase into a tierlist
my personal reason is just that I want {Chef} to get a chance to play (and Iāve gotten over shakespeare since I didnāt play the last game with {Chef} {Chef}-ing)
I feel the more aggressive personality of w!meow shows itself here in ways that it doesnāt show itself in this game.
Jason Posts
Town Jason
Game 1
Game 2
Mafia Jason
Game 1
{meow}-
if town: claiming miller at start of game is the standard play
if mafia: risks being counterclaimed by actual miller and being pushed out d1
{person}-
if town: claiming miller at start of game is standard play, having two millers in a game is strange but not unheard of
if mafia: potential ploy to avoid redcheck, would not have anticipated being counterclaimed by {other person}
{other person}-
if town: standard play etc, even if two other millers have claimed
if mafia: extremely risky play given that two millers being present is already strange
i think im expressing my thoughts badly but i think if one of the millers is mafia, it prob is {person}?
{person} is also prob the most likely to fakeclaim miller from a playstyle perspective
Game 2
Bold of you to assume {Chef} would read his roletext
Wasnāt there that one game where he didnāt read and got vanillized d1
Oh there was a bit in one of the games in which {person} played where people voted him d1 and people started doing it in games where {person} wasnāt playing
Perhaps {meow} is to blame (citation needed)
i think {person} and {Aurora} could also help if im not around
real
welp
i wonder if there are any botc-lite roles
Thereās a sharp contrast between how Jason locks in for town games versus being more vapid for mafia games, and imo, Iāve seen more of the former in this game.
Carbon Posts
Town Carbon
Game 1
Jfc where are there so many messages alr.
Iām in the right chat {Ben} I swear
itās not like
yk
I am going to finish my motherās process of dinner, I will read more tomorrow
I am feeling so devious this game
I do not understand a word of what my roletext says! But we vibing
I think this one is more to the effect of I have smolbrain, physics makes no sense to me (why did I [redacting because possibly doxxing]) and also I am fuzzybrained
whatās good
youāre dying tonight
Game 2
there are innocent wittle hsers here {Ash} >:(
oh my lord
please
end this alr
can i vote {person} j to end me seeing this role
(itās for nothing else i promise)
Game 3
What happened last night
hi sorry
Have been busy all morning and also {GM} started the game at a terrible time
And heās decided to make fun of me to start the game
yep yep ofc
j uh give me a bit
I have a lot on my plate rn and am just trying to not get activity-warned
Mafia Carbon
Game 1
Game 2
Welcome to mafia {person}!
I want that listi should read up on lore
Anyway {person} since on Day 1 we have no mechanical info to work with
We are doing social reads or fooling around :)
I take it {meow} just dumped you in here? (in a good way)
Do you want me to vote you instead?
I fear you too
itās like my character
like everyone is sus of my character
so hence iām a miller
idk hsr donāt come after me for lore
oh man maybe i should turn you into my joke vote /j
no {person} to bully
W friend
When I get my role channel
I check my alignment first
everything else is secondary
I can safely say i breathed a nice sigh of relief
mafia of course
w!Carbon kinda just says things for the sake of saying things, and I donāt get the sense that Carbon is doing that this game, hence why Iām townreading her.
This completely ignores the everything surrounding it.
Three of the four people in that post are people I was in thread interacting with and also the highest posters in the game. I am making a note that I am townreading these people at the moment but should reevaluate at a later point in case I am being convinced by the current threadstate and the amount of back-and-forth we have done.
It would be a significantly larger red flag if I chose to ignore the fact that my entire PoE consists of people who hadnāt posted nearly as much. Iāve done this before in Wrogn 2. Youāve made the presumption that Iāve already planned to scumread Willow down the line and am using this as cover without considering the wider context of why I would make a post like this.
Yes; the Catboy role exists and is town.
One of, like, three roles that can make a neighborhood/separate chat, but the other two add multiple people at a time, so itād be next to impossible to fake that role as mafia without actually having it through Innocent Child.
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sorry I couldnāt fall asleep for like two hours last night off the mafia adrenaline (ITāS ONLY D1 WHY) and then passed out for like 10 hours
will backread etc.
why is each specific person getting voted besides marluna my qbcorders noo
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I feel sheād only claim what she did in #38 right out the gate as mafia if she had a fakeclaim prepared, and given the surrounding context, I donāt feel that she have felt the need to breadcrumb that hard immediately, doubly so since her response came right after Willow asked about the Deception roles and thus wouldāve given her little time to consider what that optionality narrows things down into.
but if you join our circuit, you can access all our games for the low price of spending your entire summer in silly unbalanced games
LOUDIFY I love that role so much. yeah I think every game Iāve played in with you/spectated youāve been town. you can send the games if like, ash, wants to backread them, Iām too lazy to analyze games for meta
how do people usually format backreading posts is it one long post or a bunch of replies
I didnāt read it as this, but I see your point
I guess, but Iām also like, not a fan of the vote(+some willow paranoia I had last night Iāll explain later). and like what other justification could mafia use to push marluna besides ācould be mafia innocent child.ā
I guess jason did it though social analysis
I explained it to gummy right below. also willow had a numbered post about it that was pretty good.
willow didnāt even post thoughts besides marluna I think. agree on daeron he is moving up I love posters
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Ok part of me wants to vote pandora bc other than zoe idt theyāve progressed meaningfully (?) but I feel like I should vote into one of the existing wagons since weāre 2.5 hrs from eod
Carbon is making an effort to make reads that are somewhat sensible instead of floating in thread.
Ash seems fine enough for the moment, at least their posting isnāt bleeding tmi like their posts were in kittens combinatorics. I did think it was odd that he was making reads and prodding people for their reads but not doing anything with those reads, but he did do that in his most recent qbcord town game so idk if itās ai.
Iāve made my case for town marluna earlier.
I could see w!hazard i suppose as someone flying under the radar, thinking back I canāt really remember any of their posts or positions standing out.
Of the wagons my preference would be
Hazard > carbon = ash > marluna
VOTE: Hazardwaste
j fwiw you didnāt block out when it said āchinmay.ā which isnāt me but yk lol.
she finally becomes the grandmotherly figure /j