pushes on Eliza feel forced, like yeah sure she didnt do anything by posting “first” but like it their first message trying to take anything from that feels really meh. I get it if you’re just voting them to try to get them to have to paly the game but having it be something you want to go off of feels like it will end poorly
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Alright, Arctic elaboration time.
I don’t have much experience with Arctic - we have one proper game played together, and he was a wolf in that one, but from what I’ve seen, he’s a very confident as scum, and rightfully so. The fact that the wolfteam he led had zero fear came across in the general gamestate to me before I even knew he specifically was a wolf. His opening posts in that game were, again, very confident:
(Fucked up the quotes thread is here: Bland & Flavorless Mountainous 15er - Mafia Winnered - #46 by Arctic)
hmmmm. honestly, i often find that eliza is actually more verbose as a wolf with her explanations for stuff because she’s trying to post to get townread and avoid scumreads, which is a consideration she doesn’t usually have as town.
have you seen eliza as a wolf before? and what was wrong with her opener?
meh, okay. in general though i find it a little odd that you believe eliza being concise is a scumtell particularly seeing as this is RVS and you haven’t seen her wolf before (i find it’s actually the opposite lol).
VOTE: May
you are being put in the naughty chair. whether you are mafia or were trying to reach for that read on eliza in an honest attempt to get the game going is tbd
He immediately recognized what I was doing because he knew I was town, and he also knew that I was making a push on a townie, so he was happy to state that my read fucking sucked, which it obviously did. These posts… should’ve set off more alarm bells in my head than it did at the time, but what can I say, I feel immediate kinship with anyone who will help me take a game out of RVS.
On the other hand, here he sounds, like… totally different. Nervous, even. It feels like his mindset’s completely changed from last game, and my first instinct is that’s it’s townie, but… I don’t have a ton of experience with Arctic, so I don’t know how much he tends to intentionally shake up his wolfgames. I could see a world where this is an intentional avoidance of his tells from last game - he’s obviously aware that he’s a confident wolf and not a confident villager, and the fact that I managed to pick up on this immediately does mean it’s a bit heavy-handed… I’m not sure. I’m not supposed to say I’m not sure this early in the game, I’m supposed to build a wonderful palace of unfounded reads, but I sure am not sure.
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lol
at least you admit it i guess? but this is wild
i don’t think me being scared of reading you because i misread you once is going to be good for the game
i also think may is town for this entire post
revisit this post if lemonfairy is a wolf maybe
not too sure about the connection but i’m always suspicious of such responses to early-game pushes
is this all you have after backreading? you stopped posting after that which was 4 hours ago
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i think this is a wolfy opener
largely because the bolded feels self-conscious
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i’m not planning to hard tunnel you unless i still think you’re a wolf at eod though so don’t feel like you need to omgus me
wish people knew that in general
VOTE: Nokiel
i think i like this better for now
beancat is whatever until she starts making reads, those should determine her alignment
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in fact i’d like opinions on this post in general
uh well okay the context here is that May made a similar bad read on eliza at the start of last game which made me realize that it was probably an RT this game when she did the same thing. i mean i invited her to clarify for sure but she… didn’t, probably so others could still be able to react to the post at that point without completely spoiling it. i didn’t really mean to offer this as an explanation i just inadvertently did this while trying to figure out what was going on
hi
why were you deleting thoughts
were you worried about how you would look or do you just not really believe them?
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this response feels kinda muted to me compared to how bad i personally thought that push was and it also doesn’t actually address the poster or what it means for their alignment
they also just left after this point so rip
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i honestly kinda townread the progression from posting that into just leaving, feels like not caring about perception
this is interesting
see wolfing is much easier for me to play confidently because i have perfect information and know exactly what moves i need to make to benefit my alignment
if you read the wolf chat i was predicting things that went down on day 4/day 5 while we were still on day 2 (that zorvo would flip his arete read and go me for me instead while realizing me and molly were partners) and this was why we nearly killed him on night 2
i knew i wanted magnus dead because his reads were perfect and was worried about people listening to them at night if he were nightkilled
eh i don’t really deliberately shake them up unless the wolf rands are back to back with similar people (like i would have had to this game for instance). that doesn’t mean i don’t change them a fair amount each time as i get better. i think last game i added an emotional part to my wolfgame that was missing. i don’t think i was even aware of the tell you’ve pointed out in this post so i can’t say i would have changed it if i randed wolf lol
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i feel like its more likely to actually mean nothing but we’ll see
fair enough
but if you still scumread me at eod and you’re town then i am revoking your license to read me as you would have been wrong on 3/4 of our last games together, including both of the wolfgames
now that i think about it i don’t think you’ve ever actually correctly scumread me in games we were in together
well last time i gave this ultimatum to marl and he was a wolf so maybe i’m a wolf 
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bruh stop being weird
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