Poor Approximations of Catgirls - Thread 1

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Vulgard spew isodive

@Vulgard

@Arctic

contemplating burying myself further just to get the thread to actually do something before i go to sleep

I didn’t think Arctic was a wolf until this post
this post implies Arctic both knows he’s being wolfy and he’s doing that on purpose which I really can’t see him doing as a villager

nothing else really stands out to me in the first 100 posts which is weird because usually I get like 5 reads off people’s openers but not this time I guess

I think arctic’s opener was fine but the burying himself post was self-aware in a wolfy way so

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage until I read the rest I guess

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

Arctic looks like a villager.

Even with 6 (presumably) wolves, I don’t think Marshall and Min appear together on an Arctic push right there if they are w/w.

I lean Min to be the wolfier and think both of Marshal’s and Min’s pushes on Arctic are wolfy

I don’t understand this take in the slightest
these look like three disconnected thoughts and I disagree with all of them

@Vulgard

yeah illwei I do think Arctic is a wolf but I also think he should become obvious town by eod1 if I’m wrong so if he doesn’t I recommend killing him

I think his opener was fine but the way he handled thread pressure on him afterward felt like “ha. I’m a wolf.” which was really bad

next worst opener probably Alana because they didn’t really say anything and just left the thread after ~one post but I’m still reading so maybe they come back later

everyone else I’ve read so far NAI fmpov

@Vulgard

I really need to ask how you read me at some point because you’re pretty high-accuracy on me and idk what you’re doing differently from a lot of people

or you’re just TMIng my slot which would make me sad but at least that’ll spew me clear eventually

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

The vote on me immediately after I start voting you looks like a “I know Min is a villager and thus JohnCarter is voting a villager, therefore I will vote JohnCarter”.

Pair that with the wolfy “look at me be a villager who doesn’t care” …
Looks like a wolf.

i hate this but i think the whole “centering reads around my slot” thing is villagery

@JohnCarter

I’m not answering 21 questions just because I’m the first one to start solving. Feel free to call me a wolf for it.

pretty much same thing here.

@Wazza

No clue why you’ve thrown me into this but I’ve voted you purely because your presence in the thread is already icky, you were the person to start the content and you did it by suspecting a player, that would be good and all except when asked to explain your read slightly, you back away and say “I don’t have enough time” which is just a lousy excuse and if you plan on using that all game I do not care for your slot and you can die

and fwiw these two are not w/w

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

Kyushu (neutral claim)

yikes
put that in “should die today”

@Vulgard

what did wazza do that half the thread is preflipping her as w
all i’ve read so far is her vote on jc and following explanation

@Vulgard

@Marshal

it was because everyone and their (my) mother came out of the woodworks to defend you your posts are mid but it feels like wolves are worried about you becoming the consensus early push and plausibly pushed forth townreads to preemptively prevent that.

Who this indicates idrc but I’ve hit on this exact feeling before

this take is wtf tier because i don’t know how marshal supposedly extrapolated that from the thread

@min

why is wazza specifically v and not a wolf chainsawing her wolf partner? this obviously isnt the case but id like to know since you dont know that from ur pov

i have a lot of questions about this post

also jc is a villager

@Vulgard

does anybody here know whether it’s usual for bladescape to spam the thread with fluff while serious discussion is ongoing and there are hundreds of ai posts

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

quirrel is a wolf burdended by TMI.

I don’t want to continue throwing out basic reads like this without substance but short on time, and wanted to share this too.

Will leave the solving to the rest of y’all now.

Squirrel/Wazza wolves

ok i honestly don’t know what jc is doing but i’m leaning villager despite everything
might be mistakenly v reading the aggression but for now i feel comfortable enough doing this

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@Marshal

Straight up don’t buy it at all I think this is the attempt to awkwardly orient himself in thread after a bad opener with help from partner(s)

@Marshal

uninterested in relenting

Ftr alana fits the bill v well with arctic partner

i thought “wtf is literally all of this” but then marshal gave a pretty good explanation aside from the fact she didn’t address the alana part
i still think this leans toward the wtf tier but i felt similarly about some of her takes in the champs practice game she played on mu where she got yote d3 and she was town there

@Moonwink

@Arctic

You’ve entered the thread shitting out rubbish in an attempt to seize control in the same way wolf you usually does

Your posts aren’t solving, they are antagonizing people, your reads don’t extend further than petty OMGUS and your jab at me is a good example of this. you didn’t comment on me before this, or marshal’s case on me, but you’ve taken a combative stance already because you don’t have any interest in solving my slot, just surviving
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Yo, Arctic might be scum. :3

hyena is a villager, that felt opportunistic to me too
i don’t think the wolfreads on wazza are warranted at all
i think her early posts are nai at worst and the things arctic described there are literally all in her townrange
this is particularly strange coming from arctic who has misread wazza on more than one occasion and yet projects thunderous confidence about her in p#235 which is dissonant with how he should be treating her slot

@Wazza

the fuck am I going to solve? There’s no content here

also this is objectively incorrect and gets immediately contradicted by the next part

@Wazza

I’ve posted about the content I’ve saw and the content I cared about

but i townread it for that reason
fight me

@Vulgard

oh yeah i’ve only read a few posts by alana so far but i think she’s an overlooked slot that likely flips mafia
her opener was weak, and yet it went by completely unnoticed, indicating that wolves didn’t feel the urge to harp on it

she randomly defends arctic here

@alana

Yea i don’t see what is scummy about Arctic’s posts. I have had plenty of games where I got scumread for trying to get the game out of fluff phase but then it ironically got the game out of fluff phase just not in the way I intended

which feels like tming his alignment in some way (not caring about the reasons people wolfread him much)

the post i like the most from her iso is her longest one where she gives some reads, but it’s not even that good - it’s just less bad than the others are

@Vulgard

i’m cutting alana some slack because some of this can be attributed to playstyle but i do think it’s significantly >rand w so far

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

Context is key

If he was a town without tmi they’d have voted me for misinterpreting what I said

Squirrel is a wolf because they are almost asking for permission to push me, by asking the same question multiple times on a NAI post that THEY have mis-read

Tldr squirrel wolf

man i think jc is villagery but i disagree with almost everything he’s saying

maybe i’m misreading him

@Vulgard

@Squirrel2412

nah

I’m voting you because you’re being annoying

I don’t expect this vote to stick but you’re not making it easy buddy

i completely get it though i guess this specific example could come from both alignments

@Vulgard

/vote alana @Nyarchmage

actually i like this better for the time being

@Vulgard

@Arete

I disagree with like all of Marshal’s reads which is >rand wolf for her but I don’t want to push it yet in case the issue is just that I’m being a dumbass and wolfsiding.

sad i was looking forward to you two tunneling each other like the old days

@Vulgard

@Arete

neutral claim + peacing out is like never town

if that’s legitimately all they did then yeah they should die

@Vulgard

@Marshal

Min is pretty likely a villager

several people have said this but i haven’t seen anyone explain it yet

also i think laserpointer is villagery from their early-game posts
reads like they’re genuinely trying to solve alignments and i particularly tr the fact they’re reading slots nobody talks about which is broadening the discussion

@Vulgard

oh yeah i also firmly believe that wolves doing gimmicks end up more struggly than villagers doing gimmicks and laserpointer has 93 posts which are also villagery independently from the gimmick (or at least the ones i’ve read so far are villagery)

@Vulgard

@Mistyx

so yes, this is lock katze

if laserpointer is katze i still townread the way the gimmick is being handled but the posts themselves are in both ranges
though i still think the broadening-the-discussion part is applicable and villagery

@Vulgard

@Marshal

JC town min town Mistyx town

is your new meta to give reads with no reasoning

@Vulgard

min meming all over the marshal/arctic quarrel might be ai but idk which way
probably depends on marshal/arctic’s alignments

@Vulgard

@nutella

town

marshal
jc
min

i really want some actually explained min townreads at this point because to me he’s a hard null aorn and i’d like to hear some actual input

@LASERpointer

ok why am i outed so early wtf how did this happen

oh, ok i guess

@Millium

btw we can kill katze at any time, im always cool with that

legit think this is wolfy because i think katze has been villagery and while this is obviously a joke i feel like it’s an opportunistic one / one designed to look towny

this is one of those reads i’m going to catch immense flak for but it’ll later turn out to have been correct after i walk away from it

@Vulgard

i think wolf wisp is opportunistic and this jokey shade on katze fits the bill whereas illwei shades everyone as town so it’s nai

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

i’m going to vig katze tonight

@LASERpointer lmao

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

Kyu is a host-run account that’s a Slank vigilante - they compulsively shoot the lowest posting player but can be blocked, tracked etc. they count towards wolf parity.

was this revealed in the thread at some point, is this mech info that you’re claiming, or are you theorizing

@Vulgard

i agree with the people who’ve said blade being a triplevoter is >rand v
doublevoter i could see either way but triplevoter seems like a bit much for a wolf role even in a game of this size
singlehandedly reduces the number of mislims without having to do anything

@Vulgard

@nightingale

anyways katze/moonwink w/w uwu

i like this for the contrarian factor

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

still pretty sure wazza is the elim today and i’m pretty sure she’s w

think it’s a good start for us

the sheer number of people saying this makes me think it’s wrong but i suppose i could just be wrong on wazza

@Marluxion

marl v, he’s posting too much to be a wolf

i chuckled

@Vulgard

@Arctic

i’m mafia

bruh

@Vulgard

@Wisdom

VULGARD

WISDOM
i love how we entered the thread at the exact same time

mostly caught up atp

@Vulgard

@bladescape

Oh, Vulgard is second wolf.

That makes sense.

oh lmao i completely missed this
elaborate?

@Marluxion

you’re dying today and i’m makin sure of it

swap to legacy building mode if you’re town and start solvin

i do think it’s more productive for wazza just to solve but
eh

maybe i’m wrong i just feel like this wazza consensus is unnatural based on wazza’s posting

@Squirrel2412

finished rereading wazza’s iso

jc’s town if she spews wolf - I don’t think she’s this combative with her wolf partners, nor that scum would decide to bus this early. they could be town/town, but the sheer volume of shade she’s thrown on jc isn’t scum theatre imo

I’m uneasy about the wazza push since I’d expect more people to push me as the cw if wazza’s wolf - the general ambivalence about which of us goes over is concerning because I think it’s more indicative of t/t than w/t

granted, it’s not even 7 hours into D1, so the wagonomics approach needs time, but remember this after the flip

ok i don’t like this post because of the implicit assumption that wazza will flip

@Marluxion

vulgard i have 100 posts and i’ve only been here 2 hours i’m town

i unironically find this a convincing argument

@Vulgard

my readlist is largely opposite to this one

i think blade, marl, zori, laser, maaaaaaybe hyena are town
arete has felt fine in the moment
i think thread consensus is wrong on wazza and wazza’s town but i could be wrong on this

i think millium, arctic, and alana have been wolfy

rest is null to varied degrees

there’s one post from squirrel i really disliked but other than that i think squirrel has been fine

oh yeah and kyubey should die for the neut claim i won’t budge on this

@Vulgard

i’ve walked back the jc townread because i disagree with him on a lot of fronts which is different from swag city which i spectated and where i agreed with most of his reads

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

Yeah I noticed that about the name lol

Weird but whatever

I guess I’ll look at the slot to see if there’s anything useful to read them off, but I wouldn’t really expect much if they’re claiming neut. It’s either an excuse to coast as a neut or they’re just scum trying to coast, so I highly doubt there’s much to read them off until later, based on prior experience

I guess I’ll look at Wazza, not that I’m good at reading her, either

oh yeah i think windy’s opening string of posts including this one has been wolfy but i also think she should become obvious town by eod if she’s town so i’ll give her space to become that

@Vulgard

@Arctic

They’ve shown a consistent worldview for the most part, the best examples being their treatment of me and JC

why is showing a consensus worldview village ai

@Vulgard

i lowkey want to tr everyone who stayed up past 4 AM to post but that would include arctic

@Vulgard

i’d like to talk about min and mistyx as well

@Vulgard

@JohnCarter

Vulgard asking Arete to repeat themselves on a read (me) that they’ve talked about 5 times in the 2 hours they’ve been in the thread,

rather than helping Arctic ascertain why he finds a windgard post wolfy, which hasn’t been touched on 5 times,

Is a bit sussy

your takes are becoming increasingly unbelievable to me

@Vulgard

@Arctic

Why do you wolfread them?

they defended you
they’ve gone completely under the radar when i feel like they’re an easy push to make from wolves if they’re v and yet nobody has made that push
also i found their opener super unimpressive compared to most other openers and while the readspost is their best post it’s not exactly great

@Vulgard

also i want to discuss every slot that starts with an m

@Vulgard

@Arctic

people who have been LHFey so far and would be easy pushes for wolves to make: nutella, Squirrel, nightingale

people who aren’t LHF but have much more beneficial wagons: arctic, wazza

ok but these slots have all been at least addressed itt
alana hasn’t

@Vulgard

it’s literally just an irl claim and a fairly obvious one at that
you treating it like a role claim is ???

@Vulgard

@Arctic

When has the read of “if they were town i’d expect wolves to push them” ever actually worked

well i also think her posts are wolfy but go off i guess

@Vulgard

how many times do i need to bring up min until people agree to discuss him without just calling him town and refusing to elaborate

@Vulgard

yeah which is the primary reason i wanted all the min townreaders to elaborate
like three people tossed a townread on min without explaining it at all while i feel like min’s posts are easily within both ranges and he hasn’t done anything significant that swings in either direction

@Vulgard

really?
i thought that post as a snap reaction was wolfy

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

eeeeh maybe

more depends on how serious it is
felt kinda like a joke reaction to me

Yo Millium

I feel like this might have been a joke post

But also i feel like there’s some truth behind every joke and I just got pinged by this

So can you tell me the rationale behind this post?

@Vulgard

would like to hear people’s thoughts about mistyx as well

@Vulgard

i like the fact mistyx sussed out alana and i see where she’s coming from re: the “experience level” reasoning; i do agree that for someone with 50 games under their belt alana’s early posting is pretty wolfy

i dislike the way mistyx handles her read on laserpointer; first she calls laserpointer’s posts wolfy and seems to relate that fact to laserpointer being katze and tring nutella (the latter of which is fair enough i guess, but the former of which is not) but then she seems to spend more time trying to figure out whose alt laserpointer is rather than trying to figure out the slot’s alignment which i found strange for mistyx to be focusing on

i think mistyx is probably town but i need more content from her before i really settle on this belief

@Vulgard

@min

my push wasn’t even real

lmao

i’m mostly surprised that min called it a push at all considering the fact it didn’t look like one, just a suspicion

@min

yes, because you are saying I am pushing arctic when I wasn’t

so… it wasn’t a push… but it also wasn’t a real push?
idk what to make of this

@min

why is wazza specifically v and not a wolf chainsawing her wolf partner? this obviously isnt the case but id like to know since you dont know that from ur pov

this post i also find weird, because it reads like tmi, but the type of really obvious, blatant tmi that’s probably not tmi whatsoever

@min

I kinda didn’t like their opener because I felt like it was directly made to butter up misty

this is also weird because iirc misty actually did it first so min is sussing the wrong person for “buttering up”
it doesn’t seem bad faith though, more ignorant

gun to head i would say min is town who simply hasn’t gotten into the game yet and hasn’t read everything to the letter? like with mistyx though i need to see more content before i’m sure

@Vulgard

rn, i’m looking at arctic/millium/alana, and i’m conflicted on jc - because his push on me is awful, and he’s misrepped players other than me as well, in ways i’m not sure are just ignorance or intentional; also, i disagree with a lot of his reads, and that wasn’t the case in the last towngame of his that i spectated

he seems similar to that game on play and approach, but in terms of what he’s actually saying, i’ve barely liked anything he’s done - which is a problem

@Vulgard

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage

@Vulgard

@Millium

also since i couldn’t find it anywhere, and the sample role pm has a meme wincon

the town win con is something something, eradicate mafia, just in case people decided to go the unfun route

this is towny

@Millium

if we have a viglante and Arctic survives the night phase, I’d be highly disappointed

maybe that will change, I was hoping we might both roll town, but that first post and everything after rubs me the wrong way

and so is this

@Millium

Marshal looks good, Arctic is just going the motions, when he says reads he looks good, when he does stuff like dog on Marshal, less so, coupled with his opener, he is still threading the line

this is also more or less what i thought about that exchange

later posts are also fine
i think i fixated on the katze post too hard
millium is probably a villager
i’m not super confident, but there have been some pretty towny posts already, so yeah

@Vulgard

feel like there are wolves in the marshal/mistyx/min/squirrel/wazza grouping because I do have townreads on them but those townreads are for shaky reasons and I know from experience that I often put wolves in that zone of my readlists

millium/marl/laserpointer/arete/bladescape are more confident

bladescape is the weakest one here because it’s largely based on his role but I think his posts have been okay
maybe he shouldn’t be that high

I feel like I’m forgetting someone

@Vulgard

@Vulgard

marshal/mistyx/min/squirrel/wazza

I’d actually say wolves are here + some combo of arctic/JC/Alana

yes, I do realize JC is pushing people in this group, just different ones than me

@Vulgard

oh yeah i think hippo is villagery so far

@Vulgard

i don’t have a good reason to call nutella a villager but she feels like one thus far

@Vulgard

@alana

I got some notifications but I’m still catching up T.T

is alana your alt or main account?
asking because you’ve implying having played here before but i don’t recognize you

@Vulgard

@Arctic

This also just looks like the fake type of posts wolfrete makes when they force a read by trying to act they believe something is a gotcha when that blatantly isn’t the case (read their iso in hydra vig 10). Like how could Arete really believe JC just openclaimed his partner Kyubey was a wolf slank vig, it just looks like they are trying to dig into things and fake a line of inquiry that just isn’t a real thought

Not really vibing with arete so far given the weird Marl read, the weird phrasing and now this tbh

i disagree, i think this is exactly the type of thing town arete would latch onto
reminds me of their early pushes in the amrock draft game on mu
it’s not bad enough to be wolf ai fmpov

@Vulgard

@min

dont use this for me please, especially since this isnt another cftwp.

what is cftwr

this is the only thing I want to add a comment too but this pot was obviously fake and its making me giggle lol

@Vulgard

well, regardless of alignment, i want wazza to think critically about the game and talk about people’s alignments outside of whoever is pushing her

what she’s been doing has been useless since it started

@Vulgard

i like the fact i can tell ahead of time which post of mine min is going to talk about because he likes the post before talking about it and i get a notif

@Vulgard

i talk about it later, but this post feels weird, because you’re mildly accusing jc of tmi while also exhibiting blatant tmi - which i don’t think is actual tmi but it feels that way

it’s hard to explain

@Vulgard

@Vulgard

i talk about it later, but this post feels weird, because you’re mildly accusing jc of tmi while also exhibiting blatant tmi - which i don’t think is actual tmi but it feels that way

it’s hard to explain

the “you don’t know that from your pov” part is the main thing because it felt like a weird way to ask a question

@Vulgard

/vote Squirrel @Nyarchmage

@Vulgard

@ arctic i actually know of the instance where arete made that awful, awful trochi read as their first suspicion of the game, but i don’t think arete calling marl “tonally off” this game is nearly on that level of bad; i agree with you in that it’s an incorrect assessment (and i also agree that it shouldn’t be an assessment to begin with) but i don’t think it’s that damning

@Vulgard

i’m still apprehensive regarding arete, because i’m reading the vig 10er iso, and it’s so abysmal it baffles me how they survived day 1

i think their posting here is better than this by a significant margin, but i’m guess i’m comparing it to one of their lowest points
i need to check the poisoner game again

@Vulgard

i don’t think the jc post is outing, i can see that one coming from villarete
the marl thing bothers me more because it’s just obviously wrong

@Vulgard

@Arctic

Just doesn’t seem like a real thought.

i must’ve misread the context because now that you’re putting it this way i actually agree with you
i was confused by the jc post myself but the woof thing was clearly a meme of sorts so the part about him claiming to be a dog when the flavor is cats is ???

@Vulgard

i wasn’t even combating the min v reads, i just wanted people to elaborate instead of just plopping the reads without explaining and then leaving
how is that “combating the read?” i just wanted explanations on a slot i felt uncertain about where like 3 other people felt certain enough to call it town

how do so many people manage to misinterpret what i’m saying it’s kind of amazing

@Vulgard

@Marshal

min stuff looks good surface level but I kinda think it could just b trying really hard to not let min slip into threadspewed town, seems very over incredulous at all the v reads there when I think it’s relatively straightforward even without a huge case in thread

skill issue
i hereby invoke the Amrock defense

@Vulgard

what if min isn’t town

@Vulgard

this take is weird because it implies min is actually town when he could not be and me asking for elaboration on people’s townreads on him would be a good thing in that world

why does it have to be “min town vul bad powerwolf trying to sus him”

@Vulgard

marshal wolf? lmao

@Vulgard

@Arctic

Internet feels like eevee tbh

From grammar and claiming european

i had the same thought
he feels like
huh
if it’s eevee, he feels exactly like he played in a certain fol game from 2020 which @Marshal might remember; a game where he roleplayed as someone from an East Asian country and then broke character to insult Marshal’s way of playing mafia before subbing in his main account (yes, this actually happened)

his question to Hippo earlier felt like a 1:1 repeat of the question alt!eevee asked Marshal in that game

@Vulgard

@Marshal

you were trying to deny correct town takes that were becoming consensus

ok so which other correct town take was i trying to deny
wazza? i fully acknowledged that i might be unintentionally doing that but i still think the consensus on wazza wolf formed unnaturally

@Vulgard

@WindwardAway

you’ve gone back down in my readlist that I’ve never posted

chad and kinda villagery

@Vulgard

hippo is a wolf role that puts marks on people who say nya and once everyone in the game is marked the wolves win the game

@Vulgard

I’m asking this question because I do have plenty of experience with recent Wisdom and everything you’re accusing them of is perfectly viable for them to have posted as a villager

if anything I agreed with Arete’s take the most, the one where they call Wisdom V for being “galaxy brain” (the me/JC W/W take)

it also just so happens that Arete does have recent experience with Wisdom V so them providing that take makes sense regardless of their alignment

I suppose Wisdom is still in wolfrange but yeah

@Vulgard

I also feel like Windy is trying to pocket me with likes because she isn’t that villagery but I suppose that’s realistically NAI

also I rescind the townread on moonwink

@Vulgard

my only reason to townread bladescape is his role and pretty much nothing else

@Vulgard

funny how everyone who wolfreads me is in my poe
just saying

@Vulgard

you just called four of my posts wolfy and refused to give reasoning for any of the four
you have wolfread me when we were v/v before and you have always been wrong
this wolfread is a lost cause if you’re a villager

@Vulgard

Wisdom only player in the thread who truly understands me

@Vulgard

I’m yolo clearing wisdom
if wisdom is a wolf I am pocketed

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

this

i’ve seen this post pretty often from wolves playing on a new site

with is i just want some actual content
same with nutella really
and illwei
nutella i feel is gut v but the other two are just null

mild v pings from zori over the reads she’s given but that’s about it
kyubey retracting the neut claim doesn’t do anything for me either

i think alana’s posting has improved but i haven’t metadived her yet which i should probably do soon

/vote Kyubey @Nyarchmage

@Vulgard

wazza came into the thread earlier as i asked her to do things outside of defending herself and then she didn’t do that
i would say she’s frozen but that doesn’t fit her wolfplay at all so i’m actually inclined to think this is more likely to come from a villager

@Vulgard

@Nyarchmage

|Wisdom|5/12|bladescape (#1710); Hippopablompoyeetus (#1741); LASERpointer (#1706)

please stop

@Vulgard

i’ve just realized that blade changing his mind on the wagons at any point will singlehandedly decide who dies at eod because it’ll take four village voters to swing the wagons back the other way and that’s a hard ask for chaotic eods
yeah this has to be a town role right?

@Vulgard

@Nyarchmage

|LASERpointer|1/12|Mistyx (#375)

@Mistyx why have you been voting laserpointer since p#375?
for that matter

@Marshal why have you been voting arctic since p#129?

@Wazza why have you been voting jc since p#120?

@Vulgard

his push on you was the towniest thing he’s done all game

@Vulgard

the only wolfread on me that i viscerally hate is jc’s, but i’ve spent like 50 posts talking about it, so i don’t want to do that anymore

i didn’t like yours, because you were preflipping min V to call me mafia - but after you elaborated further, i thought it was less bad

i still think approaching my slot from the pov of “vul is a wolf ,because these people are villagers, and he’s preventing them from being townread” is backwards af, because i could just be correct and you shouldn’t know that i’m wrong ahead of time to make that read

also, i wasn’t even preventing anyone from being townread, i was discussing slots - but i kinda understand how you could have that pov, so i’m not arguing that point very strongly

@Vulgard

shoot this slot

@Vulgard

i mean
that’s what i’ve been thinking because of what these pushes have looked like
jc has misrepped me on numerous occasions
you have called me mafia on the basis of me trying to prevent villagers from being townread which is a ??? read from a villager who shouldn’t know the alignments of the people i’m questioning reads on
you later elaborated and it looked less bad afterward but i still think the initial wolfread you gave on me is crap

speaking of which

note the bolded
if min and jc are both town, marshal is probably a wolf on the basis of trying to shade me for fighting “consensus and obvious townreads” on them

i still think it’s possible marshal’s a wolf if one of these two is mafia (or even if both are mafia) but the read is just straight tmi if they’re town and very unlikely to have come from a villager

@Vulgard

/vote Hippopablompoyeetus @Nyarchmage

@Vulgard

@Marshal

how would it be less likely to come from villa me if one or both are mafia than if one or both are town

i think you misread
i think if these two are v/v, then you’re super likely to be a wolf who pushed me by tming two people i tried to “fight v reads on”

if they are not v/v, then you’re less likely to be a wolf, because then, you were wrong on at least one of these assumptions, pointing toward a lack of actual tmi - but i still think you could be a wolf, because the very fact it was a chainsaw push is fishy

@Hippopablompoyeetus

it doesnt count

i’m waiting for the vc actually and the lack of a vc appearing makes me think you were trueclaiming which is lmao

@Vulgard

@Marshal

Also heavy vul partner equity imo but nya

will people stop calling me w/w with people i read village just because i read them village

@Vulgard

realistically you’ve already lost the battle if you’re a wolf because people will remember my read on you after i flip

talk about other slots

@Vulgard

marl is actually correct; i should conserve some posts, especially since i can’t show up at eod due to how late it is

also

@Nyarchmage

|Hippopablompoyeetus|1/12|Vulgard (#2052)

was pretty sure it was a fakeclaim but didn’t hurt to check

/unvote @Nyarchmage i need to think about this
i think all current wagons are bad
yes literally all of them

@Vulgard

@Arctic

This is really bad and w/w lmao

okay well i take that back

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage there is no way you actually believe this

[quote=“Vulgard, post:2135, topic:1964, full:true”]

@Vulgard

@Arctic

This is really bad and w/w lmao
[/quote]

okay well i take that back

/vote Arctic @Nyarchmage there is no way you actually believe this

you have literally SEEN FIRSTHAND when wind did EXACTLY THAT to BOTH OF US in a game and yet you supposedly think we’re w/w because i commented on this being a possibility

you are a wolf

@Vulgard

i am not taking my vote off arctic he needs to die

@Vulgard

eaving thread glgl
might post tomorrow but i think arctic outed himself with that take

@Vulgard

he has literally seen this exact thing happen but not only does he call me mafia for saying that but he also pairs me with wwa for ??? reasons

if arctic flips wolf wwa is probably town

@Vulgard

@Wisdom

why are you vanity voting Arctic?

I think the dude is mafia and the consensus is wrong
I feel like wolves are in control of the thread and that worries me immensely

I often have this feeling and am correct, especially on day 1, but nobody ever listens to me

I think Arctic is mafia because I haven’t agreed with any of his pushes (I think Arete and Wazza are town), because I don’t think he’s been super villagery (I have high standards for him because I think he’d try hard here as either alignment but as town he’d be an easier townread), and because he called me w/w with windward for me calling her a potential like pocketer, which is what she was trying to do to both me and Arctic in the clonedvitational where me and arctic masoned

Arctic claiming he couldn’t have known what I was referring to is something I don’t believe at all and it felt like a snap response to discredit me; the only pause I have is that he didn’t actually push me harder for it, but started reconsidering my slot instead, which I’m not sure how to feel about. I actually kinda see why he would call my like-pocket statement about WWA W/W, but it feels like a bizarre interpretation coming from him, when he should know I’m stating something that could very well be true; at the very least, it felt openly uncharitable. I probably overstated the importance of that response in my snap reaction earlier, but I do think it’s AI

there’s a part of me that wonders if I just have a terrible handle on the game, wolves are something like Wazza/Wisdom/Arete + a few others, and I’m wolfsiding hard; in that world Arctic would probably be town as well

I feel like I can’t do anything about the wagons, either, because everybody is throwing susses or wolfreads on me for going against the grain - which I don’t think has ever been alignment indicative for me, but I guess people aren’t obligated to know that

if I were to continue with my worldview, I would name people like Marshal/JC/Arctic/maybe some overlooked yet sufficiently loud slots and have been receiving no serious scrutiny but still have made significant pushes on people I townread, like nightingale

marshal/JC are probably not W/W because of how marshal framed her read on me, but both their reads on me have been bad, and I have consistently disagreed with their direction

that said, at this point I’m inclined to just sheep the consensus - and if it’s wrong, I’ll collectively blame all of you for not listening to me, even though I’m trying my best to be towny so I don’t get eternally tinfoiled again like in the last fol invitational

the “don’t get tinfoiled” part didn’t exactly work so far, given the sheer number of wolfreads, wolfleans, and/or w/w pairings I’ve been a part of, so I’m honestly rather tilted but I’m trying not to allow it to affect my gameplay

if you’re still unwilling to pay any amount of attention to my takes, i’ll level with the consensus for a day phase or two, and if you’re wrong, then maybe you’ll listen to me

the legacy of my worldview is this: arete/wisdom/wazza all town and this direction is a huge mistake. JC/marshal has a wolf but probably not together. arctic is probably a wolf, nightingale/moonwink probably contains at least one because I think both have been decidedly not towny and yet have caught no scrutiny (watch this be deemed “denying townreads on villagers” again).

Alana/kyubey/is are the most noteworthy lowposters because they genuinely haven’t done much to convince me they’re town; alana is the closest to achieving that, but I still think their ISO so far is within the wolfrange of someone with 50 games of experience. I still haven’t metadived Alana because I kept getting distracted by the people here (for obvious reasons) and I later got too tired to think about this game. I’ll do that today.

laserpointer/millium/hippo/bladescape/marl/probably nutella/maybe mistyx still town. wwa I’m currently still conflicted about, I think she could swing either way, but I like the fact she actually seems to be listening to me. could be a pocketing wolf, could just be a villager, I can’t tell for sure.

squirrel and illwei. illwei I think should be within both her ranges, while squirrel’s wolfrange I simply don’t know. squirrel’s play has been unimpressive, but I’ve seen him get pushed for being unimpressive when he was town. it’s possible he’s just another wolf target.

if this post doesn’t convince you I’m town and trying to solve the game, then I don’t know what will. I joked about having an infinite wolfrange earlier, but I don’t actually think it’s infinite.

if you have any questions, ask. for now, i’m still going to keep my vote on arctic. it’s possible that i’m embarrassingly wrong and me projecting these amounts of confidence has been a colossal, thread-derailing mistake; it’s possible that the consensus is correct and I’ve been actively wolfsiding. in that case I will take a fat L and I will never project confidence again because it simply has never worked for me.

the only reason I’m projecting such confidence now is because I have a sinking feeling about the consensus being wrong, particularly since I haven’t agreed with any cases about the three main suspects. so if there’s anything I really want you to remember - especially if I’m right on arete/wisdom/wazza - it’s this post. wolves will probably kill me at some point if I’m right, but not if I’m still a common wolfread, so.

let’s not do this anymore.

@Vulgard

@Squirrel2412

you’re likely scum based on threadstate

this is literally the exact opposite of what i think.
adding squirrel to my wolf pile from the post above.

@Vulgard

@Arete

can we stop having these wagons, which suck, and instead have different wagons, which don’t suck

THANK YOU
SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS AND IT’S THE THREAD’S TOP WOLF

i think maybe the squirrel wagon is okay but everything else is terrible

@Vulgard

i’m so, so sorry if you’re town
and if we’re v/v then you’re probably right

@Vulgard

@Arete

my vague impression of the thread consensus is that people want to kill me (a town), Squirrel (kinda townie), Vul (townie), Wisdom (kinda townie), and Wind (maybe actually a wolf)

it can’t be a coincidence that we see the game exactly the same way right
i guess wolf arete could be parroting me here but

@Vulgard

wwa can be a villager for now
reading alana games rn

@Vulgard

takeaways from checking alana meta:

• her reads look similar as both alignments. the main difference i found is that she gives fewer early thoughts as mafia, and they’re often centered around defending people / questioning the reads of others, rather than giving reads on people.
• she solves more early on as town. consistently across these games, i had the thought that town alana takes a more active role in solving, earlier. it’s possible that some of this can be attributed to differences between mafia cafe and our site; our site features a lot of posts, especially this game. but alana hasn’t said anything like “there are too many posts,” so i don’t feel like she has a problem with this.
• can’t be read on posting frequency/presence. i found alana’s posting frequency and presence equal as both alignments. i can’t determine if she has a postcount tell, because i haven’t found a way to check people’s postcounts in a game on mafia cafe, but by posting frequency, she seems unpolarized and more dependent on irl than anything. this is my least confident conclusion, but i do still think it applies.

based on these cliffs, i actually think alana’s a wolf here, specifically for her early-game approach. it seems much closer to how she plays as mafia than to how she plays as town.

@alana if something about your play got lost on me while i was checking your posts on mafia cafe, do tell. but i don’t think i’ve missed anything significant, unless it has to do with your long-term play.

what makes you town in this game?

@Vulgard

@Illwei

sadge

i was in watership showdown tho!!!

school of rock is one of my favorite scumgames i played

oh yeah i actually have one more question
do you have literally anything to say about my meta assessment of alana
you just implied you’d played with her before. so you should be able to engage with that

@Vulgard

i don’t have anything to say about that
i’m not trying to be a “game solver,” i’m just trying to fight a consensus i think is wrong, and that’s why my list of people i’d rather kill looks more like a list of suspects than an actual solve

you’re doing the jc thing but you’re actually being charitable about it

@Vulgard

@Moonwink

What I’m telling you though is that there IS no consensus on me. Most people, I feel, have me as ‘wtf idk lol’ in their reads. XD So, I don’t know what consensus you’re fighting against with regard to me. Since I don’t think there IS a consensus on me, that list DOES look more like a solve rather than just a list of suspects.

well i see that as the exact problem and it also applies to nightingale
i feel like you could be a wolf getting overlooked
that’s my entire point

@Moonwink

Furthermore, the way you grouped people (‘1 wolf in {group A}’, ‘2 wolves in {group B}’) also makes it look more like a solve rather than a group of suspects.

i kinda see how people could interpret it that way but i don’t necessarily think i’m 100% correct because i’m never 100% correct

@Vulgard

@Moonwink

If I’m a wolf though, I’ve got partners – partners who are ‘overlooking’ me and/or encouraging others to overlook me. Who do you think they could be?

i don’t know, because i haven’t given you and the threadstate surrounding you enough scrutiny beyond “it’s kinda weird that the thread has left these slots largely undiscussed, and with the top wagons being bad, it might be indicative of wolves steering the thread away”

this is the type of thing i’ll probably go over tomorrow if i still believe you could be a wolf
that said, i think you’ve engaged me in the most good-faith away anyone has engaged me in this entire game, so if you’re a wolf, you’re doing a great job pocketing me

@Vulgard

@Marshal

JC isn’t a meta based read and I can’t say im overly familiar with his wolf game, I just find his posts and thoughts to consistently be things I see and go “wow I see exactly how and why he has landed on this”, and think he’s treated every argument in good faith which is very good considering the number of tinfoils/wolfreads on him

LOL
LOOOOOOOLLLLLLL
legit unbelievable that you think this
also i read the arete case
arete is probably correct in that you’re a wolf, and jc might actually be your partner
i was wrong but not all that wrong

/vote Marshal @Nyarchmage

seems more likely to happen than jc

@Vulgard

the “good faith” comment on jc does not come from someone who genuinely read jc’s posts, especially the ones on me, and parsed their content instead of just tming the slot

@Vulgard

i’m staying on marshal
i’m tired
i want some flips so i can see if i’m right or wrong

@Vulgard

@Marluxion

i am begging you

even if you are 90% sure arete is town

i am like 100% sure marshal is town from those last few posts

fine

/vote Arete

@Nyarchmage

i’m sorry if i was right
bye

@Vulgard

if this flips town kill marshal tomorrow
don’t just forget about arete’s case like people love to forget legacies

this is just a collection of posts which have reads in them (or are noteworthy) for my future use when I finish feel free to use theres legit like no text in here

important note: please reevaluate marshal

I will now look more into these

[min]

r u deadass or is this just an fps

[alana]

FYI I very much do think Marshall isn’t neccessarily scum just because he was in a thunderdome with someone who flipped town and think Marshal should be read on play, I have recently lost a game because I was in a massive thunderdome with someone, everyone decided to ‘if one is town lynch the other’ well we were both town and scum won.

but Marshalls flip would still have been more helpful to me personally than Arete’s even if Marshal had flipped town now I basically learned nothing from the lynch.

[Wazza]

Spectators are involved in the game so I’m assuming so

[min]

[alana]

alana hates this site too

[nightingale]

idk why im having an anxiety attack over tho flips that really shouldat matter
but
nya

ill just sit a bone in the corner and be ill adjusted

[min]

the reason why im worried about marshal flipping town is because I feel like vulgard has said a ton of stuff which feels outright like just w shade that idt they’d say to a partner

the worst thing id have too say is the switch to arete afterwards tbh

[Millium]

Idk if care what’s more beneficial to you, but why would it be more beneficial to you

[Millium]

What even is this post lol

[alana]

because I townread Arete more than Marshal

[Wazza]

Stop worrying about the flip, day has just started, things will happen as more people enter the thread

[Wazza]

Actually should we all post cop results now that I think about it

[Wazza]

We know there’s an alignment cop so everyone faking won’t hurt anything tbh

[Kyubey]

Terrible idea
Don’t do this

[alana]

/vote Nightingale

[alana]

why?

[Millium]

my night 1 was blade

[Kyubey]

There’s 21 other people in the game. Faking results just lowers the amount of people who can be cop. Cop can show their results through their reads.

[nightingale]

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