[Game End 2/13] Diamond Arc Crossing - Town Wins by Sorc Moment

[WindwardAway]

Fair tbh, you just replaced in

[WindwardAway]

I have thoughts on your slot as well as Uni’s now that you guys have interacted in the thread but I’ve given up typing and retyping shit so I’ll just do it before EoD

I should be around for the last hour or two in the day so barring a quickhammer ill be here to talk

[YoubutWorse]

quick lets quickhammer so wind doesnt get back go go go go

[WindwardAway]

Tfw you get quickhammered after asking to avoid a quickhammer

[YoubutWorse]

im gonna go play celeste bc even tho I beat the game i feel like torturing myself and wanna get 202 berries adios

[clonedcheese]

@Dum

Then someone claims wiped using the very specific word “[REDACTED]” wich just so happens to be what is used on my article

Thats when i made the conection

m

I may have misunderstood the “even if i did know” portion

…apologies on that

/vote Windward @Host_Account_3

[WindwardAway]

Ah ok lol

[WindwardAway]

I want an updated VC

[WindwardAway]

(whenever host has time ofc)

[WindwardAway]

Hey @Kiiruma if you’re offered the choice of whom to give the mini-me to tonight, wifom your choice so it won’t be obvious. I guess nothing can prevent scum from trying to redirect it to themselves but it sure would be funny if they blew themselves up as a result.

[WindwardAway]

@WindwardAway

wifom your choice

in the thread

Obviously don’t wifom it to Geyde or it’ll end up hell knows where

[Dum]

Ah that clears it up. Anyways im going to sleep, and no point in parking my vote here since you explained it, so

/vote @Leafia , because im a sheep and will follow my TRs

good night

[clonedcheese]

@Dum

/vote @Leafia , because im a sheep and will follow my TRs

w hat

[YoubutWorse]

i got the moon berry in celeste :D

now I just need to actually complete every other level since I dont have all the strawberries in the normal levels yet and then get the golden strawberry on everything including farewell and the dashless strawberry :DDDDDDDDD (help me)

[Kiiruma]

Understood

[Universal]

My read on ClonedCheese:

@clonedcheese

@VooDooSh

Don’t use the night ability on me to do my ability.

…what does this mean

if it means what i think it means

/vote VooDoo

@clonedcheese

@VooDooSh

Am I misunderstanding something?

Yes but not in the way I thought you were

I thought you were saying “Don’t waste your night actions on me” which is kinda very sus

But now you’re saying “Don’t activate me”

Which

1. Mafia activates people
2. The “journalist” is the VT equivalent and it seems like you are not that

This may be way too early but this feels sus

@clonedcheese

ill keep ya in mind

Cloned here is a bit aggressive with their take on VooDooSH’s mechanic question. Like I have stated before, I usually don’t consider mech-related questions or derpclears as scumtells or towntells. From my memory in playing with Cloned I don’t think I’ve seen them act this quickly against a post like that but I may be wrong.

@clonedcheese

@Oricorio

I’ll Vote: Kiimura to get things started. Most of their contributions so far have been fluffy,

…you might be looking at the wrong people there

@clonedcheese

wallpost of catchup

Summary

@Leafia

After two scumgames where I’ve shown how much I’ve improved as a wolf, anyone townreading me at anytime D1 will be put in my PoE.

Town
Next

@Sharklifter

your evil though (i got you with the surprise!!! now its productive)

@WindwardAway

oh no, i’ve been accused!!11!1! send help!

I don’t like this interaction taking up like 100 posts

@Leafia

I’m willing to say that Wind and Shark aren’t W/W based on the conversation they’re having here. It just feels like one they’d have in the wolfchat if they were both wolves.

Incorrect conclusion
Why the hell would you have this banter in scumchat if you can have it in main chat
The discussion itself is frivolous

@WindwardAway

i would definitely have this conversation in the main thread just to fill it up with fluff and also make myself look productive while actively doing nothing

This
+1 brownie points to Windward for pointing it out

@Sharklifter

thanks other mafia buddy?!?!

M
disliking this more by the hour

@WindwardAway

I’m keeping an eye on two of the players who were fairly early in showing up to the thread

@WindwardAway

Fine… Kiiruma and clonedcheese

Good point to start, “they existed early so maybe scum” is a thought

in response we get:

@Kiiruma

I’d like you to reply with your reasoning on both suspicions.

What’s the other suspicion?
The “why the glossary” suspicion did not come from Windward, seeing as to how they added to the glossary itself. It came from leetic

@Kiiruma

I know I don’t usually vibe and chill (and even joke a bit) plus the fact that I did the glossary of stuff feels like I might be trying to get newbies on my side but in all honesty I just want a nice start to the game and at some point I was going to do a glossary.

But since I was around at start of day, instead of having to worry about my voice being lost or me kinda just not doing it due to other things going on, I found that it was an alright opportunity.

This long-winded response tries to justify both their activity at the start of day and their glossary, but in a weird way. Both of those things are, at the end of the day, NAI; those are very rudimentary accusations that can just be brushed over. However, Kiiruma responds here with “I know I don’t do this a lot”, in which I believe the guilty self-awareness comes through.
in case you’re wondering, yes I’m trying to practice for the 400 words

@WindwardAway

I like how nobody gave feedback on what I said about Leafia’s vote on me

@WindwardAway

Like really

Where does this come from

It’s right after I actually wrote something semi-useful (I think)

Narcicissm along the lines of LAMIST
dislike

@WindwardAway

clonedcheese I would like to say had some questionable logic on VooDooSh, but I think in every game I have trouble understanding where his reads come from.

@WindwardAway

cloned continuing to be suspicious of Voodoo even after that is a little questionable.

Felt like a bad derpclear attempt to me and I didn’t like it
I’ve got nothing else on that front

/vote Kiiruma @Host-Account-3

TL;DR: I didn’t like their self-aware defense. Still think leetic’s scumread of them for fluff is more suited for shark

available for questioning

Cloned here begins to suspect Kiiruma for them appearing to be self-aware of their position but also because Kiiruma asked Wind for the reasoning behind their suspicion on both Cloned and themselves. He also then points out to Leetic how they should focus on Sharklifter if they intend to push on the premise of fluff posting. Now I don’t really know Clone’s perspective on things but it does appear that Cloned at least had solid thought progression. They appear to be going after players who feel unnatural in their responses and they do end up having a few good points. I would just argue that asking for reasons on suspicions isn’t really self-aware or mafia-indicative. I usually always inquire about why people mafia-read me regardless of alignment.

@clonedcheese

Whoa hey things are gett8ng spicy

Let me get out of bed and start to talk about them

Current list goes Kiiruma > shark > wind

@clonedcheese

Realized that doing this in bed is prob better

Kiiruma

@Kiiruma

Wind’s my strongest TR and scumread(?) honestly cloned.

But I don’t know how to read cloned too well so I could just be misreading em

@Kiiruma

/Vote Clonedcheese @Host-Account-3

Voting now because I feel like I could conk out any second tbh

A very hedgy, almost OMGUS vote. The attitude i feel here is "i dont have any scumreads"and they’re forcing themselves to have one on me

@Kiiruma

I didn’t really do anything between these 2 posts, like a few posts but all of a sudden I’ve went from ‘fluff’ to a ‘self aware wolf’ because I… remember the game which you @WindwardAway had used to remember that I can just vibe in thread as a wolf and I discussed it a bit

This is probably the most damning thing from Kiiruma
“I didnt really do anything” is a pretty big strawman here, seeing as how my accusation on them rests on the posts afterwards

@Kiiruma

Well I look forward to talking this through with you. We might end up both getting each other as town if it goes well x3 For now we’re tete-a-tete

This was just now so i take back the “most damning” portion from their last post and give it to this one
However strong it is, their strongest scumread is trying to kill them here, and their response is “we might seeing each other as town” which is 1) definitely not an innocent mindset and 2) TMI on my alignment.
This dies

TL;DR: weak reads, strawman, guilty mindset.

Should not live today

@clonedcheese

Sharklifter scumread comes from this

@Sharklifter

Anyways, I’ll throw in a vote for now albeit it may seem out of place but really idc, I just want to see what happens when I do

/vote Dum @Host-Account-3

mobile confuses me if I really have voted or not, but hopefully I’m not fueling to much into the fire of votes rn, but honestly like I said I don’t care if it looks bad

What the fuck

@clonedcheese

@clonedcheese

What the fuck

O kay that was not the entire post

My intention was “what the fuck are they doing here” and disliking them for going after inactives

@clonedcheese

Atarted going theough all of winds post and i cant be bothered rn

My read basically on them is “this seems lime a distancing effort from kiiruma” which is only mostly relevant if kiiruma flips scum

Also @WindwardAway on that “cloned’s post here is sus” one

Leetic may have gone and said I tried to divert attention from kiiruma (which wasnt really the case, was a semi-joke about how there were fluffier ppl in thread). And my response to that is… attacking kiiruma? Why does that make sense for scum

@clonedcheese

@Sharklifter

also what did you mean by wtf am i doing here is that directed at me because im just trying to see what i can do to help :c

Not helpful enough

Find a non-inactive to bully

This is solid thought progression as well. Cloned sticks to their readslist and doesn’t jump from place to place. They developed their read on Kiiruma and Sharklifter (even Windward later on) and builds on, it feels natural in a way. The only issue I would have here is that Cloned decided to go hard on Sharklifter for fluff and voting inactive but let Leetic slide completely with pushing another inactive slot that had virtually no chance to be voted out. Both Sharklifter and Leetic threw their votes away and we got radio silence from Cloned despite them being against it as seen with Sharklifter.

@clonedcheese

@Kiiruma

Would it have been better for me to say ‘I have none but idk how to read cloned so cloned may just be a weak scumlean due to their earlier ISO’?

Yes
Exactly

@Kiiruma

I still don’t know what ‘strawman’ is tbh. Also I didn’t know where you accusation lies fully

“Purposely misrepresenting”
Although it looks like u just havent read my wallpost
Read the wallpost for my full accusation its like on 1 post

@Kiiruma

Try and think how I think

thats the hard part here

Getting the feeling here all kiiruma’s trying to do is not get themselves killed, instead of proposing a different target

Dislike

@clonedcheese

@Kiiruma

You’re not making yourself look better and it seems you’re refusing to talk instead you’re just sticking a read and not talking it out which is not positive.

im tryinf to talk it out

You’re the one on the chopping block
Who would you suggest i vote instead

@clonedcheese

May i interest you in voting kiiruma first for their uncharacteristically passive stance

@clonedcheese

/vote Windward

reasoning coming after party

Cloned continues to accuse Kiiruma pretty vehemently but then stops. I just find this a bit jumpy from Cloned since they went from pushing a vote onto one player to another on the drop of a dime. I know Wind was considered as a scumlean earlier by them but it just feels a bit off for them to go from voting Kiiruma to Wind.

@clonedcheese

Hi hello

I’m here and my head hurts after 11 hours of minecraft

reason for voting wind was the leafia exe which kinda felt like bailing out kiiruma when they voted - leafia in my eyes had done absolutely nothing wrong

combine that with their post earlier today like this

@WindwardAway

Feel like the Leafia flip is my fault because I don’t even think anyone else said she seemed sus except for me, and somehow her wagon tied anyway with Eli’s

she seems to take blame but effectively puts the blame on the ppl that didn’t vote
idk how to explain this well rn :/

will hopefully explain more tmrw, spending time reading thread rn

[quote=“clonedcheese, post:862, topic:726, full:true”]
My reasoning for voting wind, with a clear mind:

@WindwardAway

vote Leafia @Host-Account-3

I read a couple posts, I think I’d rather vote Leafia out than Kiiruma

Her progression on me is still super weird
She is asking me for an explanation when I’ve given it already
Her progression is literally just nonexistent

The supposed “explanation given already” is practically summarized by this:

@Leafia

@WindwardAway

i wolfread you because i think you’re a wolf

there’s not much more to understand
[/quote]

That doesn’t answer my question because you’re literally saying that you wolfread me because you wolfread me here. That’s not a reason Wind. Why do you think I’m a wolf?

Having 0 reason to push whatsoever, inflating the gutread at best to crazy proportions, then going “oh whoops but there was only my vote on leafia yall should’ve tried harder” is just itterly scummy

Maybe not “moving pressure off Kiiruma”, but still agenday as hell

Gonna start reading d2 gimme a couple hours

Their progression is pretty good in this if I’m being honest.

@clonedcheese

Why do i do this to myself
doing this in smaller chunks would just be much more enjoyable

Catchup

@WindwardAway

somehow her wagon tied anyway with Eli’s

The portion that im saying is blaming others

@WindwardAway

We don’t need to claim our submitted night actions (or at least what we thought they were supposed to do), do we?

submitted night actions will be helpful

@EggYolk

Sussy Baka

please tell me this is a copypasta

their entire argument in that post is “do work = towny” which is… ungood.

insert posts here of a lot of people trolling

@WindwardAway

Anyway

I am still slightly leaning toward T/T wagons yesterday (Leafia and Eli)
Kinda worrisome, I know, it was just 2v2 with one of the votes literally being a self-pres vote
I was going to push this pov to point out how bad it makes Wazza look, but Wazza died last night so obviously it was irrelevant

I enjoy this idea as well
wolves seemed to have zero concern about who died
which in turn I’d say looks bad on people that seem intent on pushing Eli today
speaking of which,

@Oricorio

Taking a glance at Wazza’s ISO, the only player they seemed to be a threat to is Eli. Maybe Dum as well, but going after someone who doesn’t show usually isn’t a reason worth killing over. Of course, that all assumes that Wazza was the intended NK, and was not interfered with by an activated town ability.

Leetic seems to want to kill Eli
dislike

@WindwardAway

Because I targeted Wazza

Well thank you for that
Why would you worry about having mech against you?

@WindwardAway

Does anyone get the feeling cloned is trying to look productive by pushing players based on poor reasoning (imo)?

:Angy:

Thoughts:

Wind is still at the top of my suspicious list, but now for a new reason. Yesterday’s EoD was characterized by inaction, and no effort to move wagons probably meant scum liked where they were. It’s highly unlikely that scum were all inactive; as such, I am seeing at least one scum that went “oh yea with this little of activity I should be able to vote anyone lol.” That plus them being kinda guilty about targetting Wazza is highly cringe.

Leetic jumps up very high on my list for the Eli thing

Lastly looking at Dum - how is their action in any way towny? They claim to have used what was effectively a janitor kill. If that went through somehow, that could’ve killed the revolutionary or at least disabled them. How is that a towny action in any case?

Conclusion:
/vote Dum @Host-Account-3

people seem to be unwilling to vote Wind, but if they’re scum they’ll dig themselves into their grave

Dum’s action makes 0 sense though

@clonedcheese

@Kiiruma

Because I don’t think Dum’s mafia who’s just casually claiming their ability lol and I’d be sure mafia could and should have chosen Gorta N1.

Dum was clearly activated, one way or another

To me them not being clear about the whole “it could be a wipe kill and i knew that but i didnt” is weird

Like combine these

@Dum

I think you missed a point. I didint KNOW it would janitor anyone. As far as i knew when i wrote it, it was a flavored vigi kill. I only made the connection after eli claimed it and i went “wait a minute”

@Dum

Even if i DID know it would wipe the rolecard, it only does it from the targets POV since its a memory thing. Town would still know their role upon death, at least by my interpretation

???

@clonedcheese

@Dum

Then someone claims wiped using the very specific word “[REDACTED]” wich just so happens to be what is used on my article

Thats when i made the conection

m

I may have misunderstood the “even if i did know” portion

…apologies on that

/vote Windward @Host-Account-3

@clonedcheese

@Dum

/vote @Leafia , because im a sheep and will follow my TRs

w hat

In my opinion Cloned is a town. They have had solid thought progression and their reads make sense. The only thing I dislike is how they’ve appeared to be selective in the past about voting patterns and agendas seeing as how they pushed some players for reasons but ignored other players even if they did the same thing he hated.

I am willing to let that slide just because of how well their thought process is like.

Another thing I would say is that some of their reads I would disagree with, and I welcome discussing it further with him if he wishes to.

(Reads on Sharklifter)

[Host_Account_3]

VC Day 2 #4

Voted	Voters	Votes
EggYolk	Windwardaway (#895), ElithePsycho (#910)	2/6
Clonedcheese	Dum (#1078)	1/6
Leetic	Universal (#1095)	1/6
Windward	Clonedcheese (#1107)	1/6
Not Voting	Gorta, Leetic, Kiiruma, VooDooSh, EggYolk, Sharklifter	6

Apologies for period with No VC

[Host_Account_3]

Around 14 hours until end of day. Read SoD2 post for exact details

[Universal]

On a serios note: from what I’ve read thus far I sincerely advise for people to go for those in this pool

Leetic
EggYolk

I may put Wind in there as well just because of what I’ve read from Clonedcheese and do admit some of their reasoning for D1 was a bit weird at best and malevolent at worst.

I also do ask for people not to go after the following

Me
Cloned
Eli

I am fairly confident that due to the low energy present at EoD1 that Eli and Leafia were T/T. I would also say to look into those who threw their votes away at EoD1 to slots that had no possibility of being voted out.

[YoubutWorse]

I’m ok with not going for Eli for now, but in my eyes you aren’t off the block and leetic is, would just swap those around. Eggyolk seems decently agreed upon though