Mafia: Trials and Tribulations [Thread 1 - DO NOT POST]

[Alkali]

@Leafia

Look at how antagonistic I’ve been D1 and D2. You know very well that I’m not like that as a wolf.

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@LeafiabutWorse

Also, the way that Arete just jumped onto my wagon sucks balls. They can be scum and if I’m right on scum being on my wagon, it’s likely them. /vote TeamSlightlyPolish

@LeafiabutWorse

Nope. How can you not see that I’m a villager here if you’re not the final wolf? You know me better than that. /vite cat @Host_Account_2 I should’ve realized it sooner with how you were treating Arete’s slot.

@LeafiabutWorse

How can you believe I even have the slimmest chance of being a wolf here? The wolf is in cat/idrc, leaning towards cat because I have a hard time believing they’d even be considering worlds where I’m a wolf at this point.

@LeafiabutWorse

I am and I’m not an fing wolf here. Think about it. I was exactly this way in my last villager game! Why wouldn’t I just unwaveringly want idrc dead if I was the last wolf? Me being wolf here makes no bloody sense! I should be lock v right now if you think about it for more than a second! Look at how idrc is acting and tell me a villager acts that way!

@Leafia

This is of how I acted is completely misrepresenting me. I’m willing to admit that I can be wrong as town and I’m nowhere near as headstrong as you seem to want people to think when I’m town and the posts you quoted from me reveal that you’re blatantly lying when you say that I didn’t try to save Cloned. You know what? This is a blatant effort to shade me that never comes from a villager. That’s what I think. You are completely ignoring the fact that I was scumreading Pigeon just as much as Magnus as well as the fact that I had earlier agreed that Cloned/Pigeon wagons were a good idea. You’re acting like Magnus was my only scumread or something. That’s nowhere near the case. As my posts show, I tried hard to save Cloned. I just wish I had tried harder to get Magnus yeeted in hindsight.

/vote Aelin @Host_Account_2 I don’t think a villager ever blatantly lies and leaves out important facts all to get someone mislynched here to be honest. This slot can die.

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@Leafia

I’ve also been making reads of my own as well and not just agreeing with ither people, which is something wolf!me does a lot. I’ve also not been blindly trusting anyone and have been trying to figure out everyone’s alignment.

Summary

@LeafiabutWorse

Going to go out on a limb and give Cat the slightest of townleans for this post here. Mostly gut for now. It’s just a feeling I have.

@LeafiabutWorse

Couldn’t sleep and you need to make reads too YBW. Saying that, Arete’s reason for townreading me feels a bit off. After all, I have improved my wolf play, so it feels weak. It’s something I’ll definitely keep in mind going forward and for now I’m giving Arete a slight scumlean.

@LeafiabutWorse

Why would I do something with it that early in the game? They were only a slight scumlean at that point and you’re trying to make my actions look more wolfy than they actually are. Don’t you think I would’ve wanted to focus on that as a wolf to avoid having to make my own reads?

see bolded ^
similar argument to the one thats being used here

@LeafiabutWorse

Top three townreads

HoodHeroes: Their questioning of me feels like they’re trying to get a better read on me and feels really villagery in a way that would be extremely difficult for a wolf to fake.

idrc: They have a villagery vibe to them and they’re defending me.

FPSers: Brad seems completely different from Poisonous and Aelin has a villagery vibe to them as well.

@LeafiabutWorse

Kiiruma is the practically outed wolf and he clearly didn’t care if I got hammered and he h as s been deathtunneling me literally the entire game and virtually ignoring everyone else’s slot and completely ignoring everything that makes me look good as well as ignoring everything I say and do. This is not something I have ever seen from v!Kiiruma. He doesn’t get this deathtunneled as a villager.

And you and him are super buddybuddy right now. You’re treating everything he says as gospel truth and not even analyzing it to see if it could come from a wolf. Not only that, but he’s liking all of your posts which I find to be super weird if you aren’t w/w. Basically, Kiiruma is literally never a villager here and needs to be killed with fire.

@LeafiabutWorse

Here’s my case bbn on Kiiruma.

Why the hyper focusing on me? Even if he’s certain I’m a wolf, he hasn’t even been trying to figure out who he thinks my partner is and he has no congingency plans for if I flip villager.

Also, even he knows that going for a mislynch here is always afer and better than going for a 1 for 1 so why is he so certain that I’m trying to go for a 1 for 1? Which isn’t something I can ever see me doing as a wolf.

That’s literally his only stated view and it feels like he’s trying to set up a misexe on me then plans on getting a villager to vote for another villager in lylo.

It may not look like it, but everything I’ve done has been town motivated which is something Kiiruma isn’t willing to even accept as being possible even though we’ll be in lylo if I get executed and that singlemindedness scares me. Ijust can’t see it coming from a villager because villagers should be doublechecking to make sure their reads are correct right now, not in a literal deathtunnel on someone and refusing to see the possibility that they’re deathtunneled on a villager.

@Leafia

On second glance this post looks like Trochi is relaxed and comfortable but at the same time it has a slightly too friendly tone like he’s trying to make himself liked and it’s something I find slightly on the scummy side although I might be reading too much into it.

As for Frog, having so many reads due to stuff that is more likely than not to not be serious is a bit concerning to me. It’s not something I exactly hate but I’ll be keeping an eye on Frog’s slot.

As for Professor, I find them expressing concern about the slight pileup on me to be slightly villagery so I’m willing to give them a townlean.

Brad is the other one I’m focusing on. While he did Express concern about how frequently I’m posting, I can understand his reasoning and I think he expressed it in a villagery way, so he gets a slight townlean for now too.

@Leafia

@Frog

@Leafia

I’ve explained that wolves tend to want to appear helpful in ‘optimizing’ play, and I’ve applied that read to you. Combined with my read that wolves tend to post at start of day in light games, you fit the profile. I have given you the opportunity and benefit of the doubt to prove me wrong. If you choose to focus on OMGUS, enjoy your hole, I’ll pass you extra shovels.

Hmmm, this reasoning makes sense actually, Nd that added to the fact that you don’t really know me has me willing to townlean you very slightly. I somewhat doubt scum would start scumreading me for something like that and be able to come up with an explaination that makes sense to be honest and the read feels like a real one.

/unvote

@Leafia

Good to know that I’m nothe only one that fund that post hilarious.

I figure right now would be a good time to let everyone know where my head is at too

Leafia readslist

clonedcheese: Towncore as his RT that potentially caught Brad just doesn’t seem like something a wolf would do. I feel that a wolf woul argue that either their read was real or not say anything about it while using t as an opportunity to Shade and/or start a Brad push. This is the member of my towncore that I’m the least confident on.

Frog: Towncore: His solving has a villagery feel to it that I honestly like but the thing that cements him as a member of my towncore is how he stopped the push on me that was obviously wolf motivated. It’s something I can’t see a wolf ever doing when the wolves obviously wanted me to get yeeted there.

BradLand: Null. I’m notoriously bad at reading this slot and I tend to think he’s a wolf in every game. This game I think I’ll wait for some flips before attempting to read his slot. That should make it easier I think.

Aelin : Hmmmm, townlean: Shw has a thought process that I find villagery but also hasn’t’t done that much in the thread from what I recall. Still willing to townlean her for now though.

Squirrel2412: Null: I don’t recall enough from him to make a read on him.

illwei: Slight scumlean. I don’t really like his explaination for his read on me, but I can potentially see it coming from a.villager. I do find the fact that he hasn’t done anything with his read on me strange though. I’m not sure what to think of him dropping his read on me either.

Leafia: The member of the towncore I’m most confident in being a villager. Call me wolfy if you want for not explaining why, but I’m feeling a bit too lazy to do so. She’s branded town so many times in a row now too that I’m starting to doubt that she’ll everrand wolf ever again.

Magnus: Scumread although never w/w with Pugeon. Hi vote on me seemed super opportunistic and his explaination for it seemed like a wolf thing to backpedal.

Gorta: Null. Hasn’t really done anything of note yet.

EliThePsycho: Null. I honestly don’t remember much of anything from him. Maybe due to concentrating on other slots.

Professor: Towncore dependent on if I’m right about his identity or not. If it’s who I think it is, then the way they’re acting is a way they never act as a wolf and he’s very good at reading me.

thepigeonnyc: Scumread but never w/w with Magnus: The other one who almost got me yeeted. His posts have been terrible if he’s a villager and from past game with him, I know he’s capable of much better if he’s villager. Saying that, I feel that he’s squarely in his wolfmeta right now.

Trochilidae: Very slight wolf lean. On the surface their posts look fine but something just seems off about them that I can’t quite explain and it’s weirding me out. Like they’re trying a bit too hard to appeal to everyone without it seeming like they’re doing so. I couldhinestly see this flipping either way.

That being said, there’s a very slim chance that Magnus and Pigeon are both villagers so don’t just assume that the other one has to be a wolf if one of them flips villager.

@Leafia

@Magnus

Just vote me and I’ll have more votes against me than you have against you. It’s not suspicious if I’m already suspicious, you could either be jumping on a bandwagon as evil or scumreading me as Town, or preserving yourself as either alignment.

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@Magnus

You know what, I’d rather /Vote ClonedCheese . At least I actually scumread Cloned for my own reads and analysis, unlike this vote.

And this honestly have a slightly villagery feel to them that I honestly like. I just feel like a wolf would be more concerned with survival here and not care who they are voting. Although there’s a possibility of Magnus/Brad being w/w as well, so it doesn’t improve how I see him too much.

@Leafia

Hmmm, the most town AI thing I did this game would have to be revealing on Trochi and seeing him as likely town despite Professor scumreading them. I’m not sure I would’ve done that as a wolf as I’m a bit more agreeable than that as a wolf.

bold againze

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just a few postsze
im too lazy to look back at old-FoL but you’ve definitely done all this as a wolf there too

shrug i dont think you’re out of your wolfrange like at all

[Leafia]

I need time away from this thread now for my sanity. Talk to you all more later.

[Leafia]

Wrong. I haven’t. Not in the way I’m doing it here and even in Risky Rain I was more agreeable. Heading out for real now too.

[Kiiruma]

Leafia, Chleb literally just quoted TONS of posts in which you have done it.
You’re trying to go for Risky Rain as an argument while ignoring others games in which it was true

[Alkali]

i quoted risky too

[Alkali]

[GAME THREAD 6/13] Risky Light Game: Featuring Rain - Day 4 - Mafia wonnered

Hmmm, the most town AI thing I did this game would have to be revealing on Trochi and seeing him as likely town despite Professor scumreading them. I’m not sure I would’ve done that as a wolf as I’m a bit more agreeable than that as a wolf.

[Millium]

I’ll respond to this when I’m available, since I think this kind of question requires a decent response in regards to how I think and play

[Millium]

Psychotic definitely wasn’t necessary but you do you

[Prophylaxis]

@Leafia

Why are you determined to lose the game for the town here?

this is a loaded question right

[Millium]

Ohh it 100% is, but I would like to genuinely answer it

[Leafia]

Kiiuma, my play here and my play here may be a bit similar, but they aren’t the same.

[Leafia]

Hmm, a villagery reply honestly.

[Leafia]

For comparison, compare this game to my villager games and look through what Ici said about me. He figured out how to read me.

[Leafia]

Misexeing isn’t good Proph.

[Leafia]

And executing me today gets rid of two villager voices.

[Alkali]

alright

@Leafia who are your top villagers currently (other than proph) and why?

Why is Litten a wolf to you?

[Alkali]

@Prophylaxis do you have all the claims and stuff compiled or should i do that

[Leafia]

GTH I’d say that Seth, Apprentice, maybe Wisdom, although I’m not certain any more, maybe even Marl, but I’m having serious misgivings about his slot with how much he’s been pushing me with BS logic, and maybe Italy are all villagers.

Litten literally leaped at me claws bared when I did the rt and isn’t even trying to listen to reason when I try to explain the RT. He isn’t like that as a villager. He’s also pushing super hard that I faked the RT and hasn’t even tried to ask why I’d do what I did as a wolf which is what I expect any villager worth their salt to do. It feels super faked and I know wolves would love to mislynch me right now to kill two birds with one stone. Even if a villager thinks I’m lockwolf, why not wait until lylo to execute me so that you have Proph around as much as long as possible and get an automatic wolf execution in LyLo? That’s how a true villager should be thinking.

[Leafia]

Seth because I know his meta very well and he’s a long shot from it. App due to gut and how he’s been defending me today although I’m less sure of him right now.

[Millium]

Also a simplistic answer for now, am I afraid to lose the game for town, the answer is no